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Apple’s declining software quality

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Post by spronkey »

KirinDave wrote: post #693
dkonofalski wrote: post #543

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Do you have some kind of third-party display or window manager installed? I regularly (as in "every day") have my Macbook hooked up to dual monitors and I've never had the kernel crash due to a disconnect or a change on the preferences screen. Does that happen regularly for you or was that just a one-off occurrence?

I've got an otherwise unexceptional LG monitor that with one specific generation of MacBook causes all sorts of problems. My windows machines and newer macbooks don't have this problem, and connect to the monitor fine. So it can be hardware issues. Often subtle ones.

Connected via HDMI? And goes into YPbPr mode because OS X thinks its a TV? And has no override.

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Post by hboon »

wodenokoto wrote: post #703
tolmasky wrote: post #503

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I think you've touched on something key: people's acceptance of bugs is often outweighed by the new features they get. In other words, if the "new functionality" is perceived to outweigh the costs of the lack of reliability, the product will be deemed "less buggy" because people "understand" why there are issues. This made total sense in some of Apple's biggest products: OS X and iPhone. When OS X first came out it c…

The original iPhone wasn't slow at all. One of its main selling point was the speed of menus and apps (I forget what they actually called apps before the app store). I think you forget how crazy slow feature phones were. Opening a GPS app and finding your location could take 5-10 minutes in 2007 on a feature phone.

They called them apps too. It's easy to remember with the infamous (quoting from memory): "You can write apps in HTML".

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Post by wodenokoto »

hboon wrote: post #714
wodenokoto wrote: post #703

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The original iPhone wasn't slow at all. One of its main selling point was the speed of menus and apps (I forget what they actually called apps before the app store). I think you forget how crazy slow feature phones were. Opening a GPS app and finding your location could take 5-10 minutes in 2007 on a feature phone.

They called them apps too. It's easy to remember with the infamous (quoting from memory): "You can write apps in HTML".

Guess I completely forgot that. Thanks.

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Post by hboon »

chris_wot wrote: post #643
dkonofalski wrote: post #540

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As a long-time Apple user and former employee, this is exactly how I feel about the current situation. I still think that my Mac/Apple devices are more solid than my Android/PC devices, but this is exactly what I'm noticing more regularly. I forgive most faults that happen because it's almost as if I can forgive them not working all the time since 99% of the time, everything is awesome. On Windows, that same forgiven…

If you think that it was bad when they removed features from iPhoto, then I'd hate to think what you thought when they removed features from Numbers!

I (Apple) will one-up you with Final Cut Pro X http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/01/more-fcpx-fallout-top-r...

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Post by Teckla »

orionblastar wrote: post #587
tolmasky wrote: post #503

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I think you've touched on something key: people's acceptance of bugs is often outweighed by the new features they get. In other words, if the "new functionality" is perceived to outweigh the costs of the lack of reliability, the product will be deemed "less buggy" because people "understand" why there are issues. This made total sense in some of Apple's biggest products: OS X and iPhone. When OS X first came out it c…

True Apple software has always been buggy, Apple calls it undocumented features. Apple always makes up for bugs with newer devices with faster CPU and GPU units that make OS code run faster. That means buying a new Apple device to get better performance. The older Apple devices are left out of updates eventually and if they do update to a newer OS version it runs slower. Apple is driven by an upgrade model to buy a n…

Apple is driven by an upgrade model to buy a new Apple device every three years or so.

I disagree.

My wife's iMac is 6 1/2 years old, and still gets the latest OS updates (for free!), though we're upgrading to a new iMac soon.

My iPad 2 is almost 5 years old, and still gets the latest OS updates (for free!), though we're upgrading to a new iPad soon.

It is precisely because our older Apple hardware is still working well, and Apple still supports us with the latest updates to that older hardware, that my family is not only sticking with Apple, but we've recently invested in new iPhones.

Apple has earned our trust.

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Post by xufi »

I agree a bit. I feel like for example regarding ios on the iPhone. Ever since Forstall left, its gotten very sluggish and has too many uncessary apps (Health/Tips/News???) We dont need all of those apps built in. Same goes for the computer. Some of the stuff such as Wifi calling could be easily implemented in a simple update and not pushed into a re release. The design asthetic they had has also gone stray which doesnt make me look at how some of the icons look ridiculous

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Post by blkhp19 »

spronkey wrote: post #710
dkonofalski wrote: post #549

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You just convinced me to give Photos another chance. I absolutely hated it when they gave up on iPhoto and Aperture because I felt like I lost a lot of features if I moved to Photos. Ever since then, though, I haven't found a photo solution that works quite as well as any of the Apple products I've used in the past so I'm willing to give it another shot.

Photos.app is atrocious from a UI perspective. It's an iOS app shoehorned onto OS X. How to back up your library to, oh, I don't know, an external disk? Drink the kool aid or else.

What? The UI is totally fine. Just because it's a grid of photos doesn't mean it's just "an iOS app shoehorned onto OS X." The app is written from the ground up for OS X. It's not just some basic half assed port of the iOS version. The UI is different. The editing tools are more powerful. The performance is blazingly fast. Go give the Photos app on Windows 10 a shot if you want to see what the competition is up to. That is a pathetic Windows (mobile) 10 port.

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Post by ntnlabs »

iPhone ecosystem needs XDA community. And I say this with full responsibility. Cydia is great, but instead of a store only, the fine hw should be brainstormed by a bunch of lunetics and hackers. So we could see what is the hw capable of.
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