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Sydney's fun police have put out the light of the nightlife

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Re: Sydney's fun police have put out the light of the nightlife

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Are you sure? I can't find anything online that supports that. Many bars serve other drinks (vodka and orange, gin and tonic, etc) unmixed, so you can mix it to taste. Buckfast is still sold, and that contains caffeine. Kahlúa too.

Ah, think you're right - this might just be Scotland where it's actually the law, but was certainly the common practice when I was working bars up north.

There were discussions here about legislating against alcoholic drinks with caffeine levels above a certain level but I don't think anything actually became law:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10164507

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Interesting, recently there was a study posted on HN that it depends on genetics whether or not someone becomes violent when drunk. Australia started as a prison colony, maybe there is a connection there?

The scientific jury is out on whether drunken violence is a genetic trait. Interesting enough idea. "So your father was an alcoholic" is common among alcoholics and their friends looking for explanation. Violence is also one of those "fallback" mentalities that stupid people embrace when cornered. Genetics aside, stupid people have few resources at their disposal. Violence is there, justified by a century of iconic p…

What do smart people do when they are cornered?

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You could come down to Melbourne, it's got a very healthy nightlife and music scene. It has a little bit of wowserism happening at the moment (no new licenses for bars open past 1am anymore, for example, and some more restrictions on 'music pubs'), but as far as I'm aware, no legislation about timing requirements on mixed drinks (which sounds truly crazy). The main article reads like a horror story for nightlife. It'…

> ..there's a lot of conservative christian politicians in power at the federal level, and at some state levels, and they don't reflect modern australian values. How come they don't, if they consistently keep getting elected?

Highly motivated ethnic or religious people are bloc voters who turn out and can wield a disproportionate influence.

It's not really a Christian thing, it's any bloc. I don't know much about Australian politics, but I can think of several political machines in the past driven by Irish Catholic turnout, and a few current ones driven by ultra-conservative Christian and Jewish groups.

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What is your favorite drink? I live in Sydney too (Bondi), and agree the new rules are ridiculous, but what's this about 'not mix it in the same glass'?

Jägermeister+RedBull ... Don't judge me ;)

Oh dude, I can't believe the forbade Jägerbombs. I thought you were going to say Everclear plus genuine Absynthe...

Re: Sydney's fun police have put out the light of the nightlife

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> Incidentally, do you have any facts to back up that lockout laws are "sabotaging" the NSW economy? Not the economy, but they're killing the nightlife and live music sector. You may not care about that, but I do.

That was killed by poker machines. Though I'm not sure why you actually need to serve alcohol to enjoy live music. As for killing the nightlife sector, if the nightlife sector relies on people drinking copious quantities of alcohol, then it might not be a bad thing. Maybe they should evolve to be less dependent on alcohol.

I would argue that you need to sell alcohol to make the live music profitable.

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I'm personally from Stockholm but were in Sydney about a year ago and yeah I must say that your alcohol laws are pretty insane. After 12 you can't order this and after 1 you cant order that and so on. So silly that I couldn't buy drinks for my friends and that they had to go to the bar themselves to order it. Do they really believe that I would order 4 drinks for myself at each order?

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I was following the article for a while until it shifted and started blaming the politicians' religion as the driving force in the changes to the law. It sounds like the authors have an axe to grind.

For instance, they use this quote as an example of the Police Commissioner being a teetotaler against drinking and justifying it according to religion:

“In another foray into the state’s social and moral landscape, Mr Scipione says the rise in binge drinking among girls and young women is making them vulnerable to sexual assault, liaisons they may regret, psychological trauma, sexually transmitted infections and even a threat to their fertility.”

The Sun-Morning Herald article they link to [1] reports the police commissioner pointing the journalists to a 2011 study coming out discussing the impacts of binge drinking on young females and the PC is reiterating the conclusions of the study and asking people to be aware of the risks of their behavior and take commonsense measures to ward off potential negative outcomes. I'm missing the part where he's a frothing totalitarian religious zealot out to impose a strict religious interpretation on the population.

It's one thing to write a policy critique, which, I think the article mostly gets right and points out the impacts the laws are having on local entertainment and the impacts that has on other industries notorious for attracting and keeping you people, like technology. It's another thing to divest into an axe grinding tangent that ascribes malicious intent to politicians for religious reasons while providing spurious reasoning and support in the article. It's disingenuous to mix in personal opinion and interpretation of actions as verifiable fact without having links that show because A therefore B.

[1] http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/girls-drink-pact-20111...

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That was killed by poker machines. Though I'm not sure why you actually need to serve alcohol to enjoy live music. As for killing the nightlife sector, if the nightlife sector relies on people drinking copious quantities of alcohol, then it might not be a bad thing. Maybe they should evolve to be less dependent on alcohol.

I would argue that you need to sell alcohol to make the live music profitable.

In that case it's an unviable business model.

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Yes, drinking culture in the UK is stupid and everyone knows it's a problem. The cost to the health service means that it's not really something that should be tolerated in the long term. See for example: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/10/alcohol...

If a national health service is an excuse to tell people how to live, I've pretty happy Obama fucked it all up here and just institutionalized health insurers.

Obama and his advisor Cass Sunstein are ostensibly pursuing "libertarian paternalism", as is Cameron in the UK. I'm guessing you like the sound of "libertarian".

Alcohol consumption is one clear case of people harming themselves. There are a lot of other areas in which the government in fact doesn't know what's best, so I don't think you can generalize about liberties either way.

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Given that the majority of Australians are Christian it would indeed make sense that the most influential backers are Christians too. Probably been like that for a long time? Still there might be something in their campaigns that resonates with the views of the majority. One wouldn't imagine them consistently winning fair elections in predominantly Hindu or Muslim country, no matter the campaign spending.

That's very much incorrect. Most Australians are agnostic.

Well according to this: http://www.smh.com.au/national/is-australia-losing-its-relig...

..while non-religious make up a fair portion of Aussies, most still identify as Christians.

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