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iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by jacquesm »

Anderkent wrote: post #28
jacquesm wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, I did not mean to offend anybody but my reading of the word is that it has two meanings, one of which is 'stupid or dumb'. I'll update the comment.

Your reading is correct. But there's always going to be people complaining about word choice even if your meaning is perfectly clear and inoffensive.

That may be true but it does not cost me anything at all to change the text so that it does not offend and in that sense it is an improvement.

At the same time I see HN slide towards reddit just one little bit more with all the 'you insensitive clod' comments lately and that is sad too.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by lisper »

soneil wrote: post #193

I feel like a hypocrite criticising this one. Security has always been a tradeoff against convenience. I've been, overall, happy that Apple's starting to take the security of personal data on a very losable device seriously. I mean, not to gloss over it. I just got stung €320 for a screen repair, and I won't pretend I'm at all happy with that. But I have to accept we can't have it both ways - if we're demanding tough…

The problem here is not so much that the devices are being bricked as the fact that it's coming as a nasty surprise. People needed to be warned about this, and the warning needed to happen before they bought the phone.

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Post by integraton »

minikites wrote: post #37
mppm wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you just say short sighted? Not everybody has perfect eyesight, you know, but that doesn't make us stupid. You hater, you.

Are people with myopia discriminated against in society?

Absolutely. There are jobs that discriminate against people with eyesight disabilities (some aircraft pilot jobs, for example) and there are many products that don't account for people wearing glasses.

People with glasses are widely stereotyped as nerds or geeks and often experience bullying.

People wearing glasses were also reportedly targeted in mass killings by the Khmer Rouge due to that same stereotype.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by ntakasaki »

salgernon wrote: post #200
ntakasaki wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IMO bricking on touch ID issues is extreme, but maximises the security of the device. We are all smart people here and there are several ways to have security without bricking expensive hardware. First, the update can wipe the device instead of bricking it. Second, Apple can provide an option to replace the fingerprint chip and charge, $150-$200 or whatever it costs for it. There would be several better solutions th…

Second, Apple can provide an option to replace the fingerprint chip and charge, $150-$200 or whatever it costs for it. At the end of the article, it said that affected customers should contact Apple Support. Are you sure they are not offering a hardware fix at that point? It doesn't sound to me like they're just letting people hang.

From a different article:

>When Olmos, who says he has spent thousands of pounds on Apple products over the years, took it to an Apple store in London, staff told him there was nothing they could do, and that his phone was now junk. He had to pay £270 for a replacement and is furious.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by dawnbreez »

coldtea wrote: post #141
izacus wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? TouchID is the less secure authentication than password/PIN anyway (which is shown by the fact that you need to enter PIN/Pass right after boot). How would just disabling TouchID auth be a worse option?

> TouchID is the less secure authentication than password/PIN anyway (which is shown by the fact that you need to enter PIN/Pass right after boot). The fact that you need to enter PIN right after boot, just shows that they use "two factor authentication" to make it even more secure. It doesn't IN ANY WAY show that TouchID is "the less secure authentication" method of the two.

Fingerprints are impossible to change and can be brute-forced. Therefore, fingerprint security is less secure than a password that can be changed.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

arihant wrote: post #195

This is still not as bad as the newer laptops in which TPM is soldered onto motherboard and the OS won't boot if it's damaged. You can't even get it repaired, even by the manufacturer without getting a brand new motherboard. Hardware level security is important, but one must know that whenever you involve hardware into the equation you must allow for collateral damage. Trusting trust is hard. You can't expect the ver…

How often do you damage a chip on your motherboard? Or need to replace non-capacitor parts on it?

This is such a problem because it's stuck to the screen, and people need to replace screens all the time.

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Post by 9872 »

arihant wrote: post #195

This is still not as bad as the newer laptops in which TPM is soldered onto motherboard and the OS won't boot if it's damaged. You can't even get it repaired, even by the manufacturer without getting a brand new motherboard. Hardware level security is important, but one must know that whenever you involve hardware into the equation you must allow for collateral damage. Trusting trust is hard. You can't expect the ver…

You don't know his passcode, if the error disables touch ID instead of the entire phone, why isn't that protection sufficient?

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by arihant »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #206
arihant wrote: post #195

This is still not as bad as the newer laptops in which TPM is soldered onto motherboard and the OS won't boot if it's damaged. You can't even get it repaired, even by the manufacturer without getting a brand new motherboard. Hardware level security is important, but one must know that whenever you involve hardware into the equation you must allow for collateral damage. Trusting trust is hard. You can't expect the ver…

How often do you damage a chip on your motherboard? Or need to replace non-capacitor parts on it? This is such a problem because it's stuck to the screen, and people need to replace screens all the time.

Out of three things -- thin phone, hardware level security, and cheapness of repairs -- you get to pick two.

FWIW, I've lost 2 chromebooks to TPM failure in 18 months.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by quackerhacker »

I haven't experience any error 53 codes on the devices I've repaired, but if this is true... Wow! That's really shady of Apple. I'm starting to get the feeling that the moves they're making (like charging for Apple radio [not Apple music], and now disabling phones with unauthorized repairs) is their response to their recent report of declining iPhone sales. Disappointing if this is true that these changes are at the expense of their end users and fans (and I am a fan).

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by minikites »

jacquesm wrote: post #201
Anderkent wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reading is correct. But there's always going to be people complaining about word choice even if your meaning is perfectly clear and inoffensive.

That may be true but it does not cost me anything at all to change the text so that it does not offend and in that sense it is an improvement. At the same time I see HN slide towards reddit just one little bit more with all the 'you insensitive clod' comments lately and that is sad too.

It's less about HN vs. reddit and more about society at large. What sorts of rude and derogatory words do you feel the need to say where you can't pick a synonym?
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