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iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by germanier »

brador wrote: post #107
Reason077 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of stuff that depends on the secure element - in fact the phone would be quite useless without it. In fact, when you first reboot your phone, even contacts cannot be accessed until you authenticate with your passcode to unlock the secure element. Incoming text messages only show the phone number. You're right, however - a Touch ID sensor that cannot be verified should not brick the phone. Apple should j…

The issue is Apple cannot verify a secure touch ID replacement over a compromised touch ID replacement. Without knowing if your replacement is secure the change potentially compromises the security of the whole device. IMO bricking on touch ID issues is extreme, but maximises the security of the device.

Yes. Just as destroying the phone with a hammer maximizes the security of the device. Effective but entirely useless.

The phone would still work perfectly fine and safe if Touch ID would be disabled and input from the sensor wouldn't be trusted.

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Post by venomsnake »

DanBC wrote: post #122
venomsnake wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And sugarcoating speech show disdain towards the audience. Anyway - how is the political correct way to retard a dough in a fridge?

Retard has two uses. If you're talking about watch mechanisms or dough in the fridge the word retard is perfectly fine, no-one cares about that use. The word retard is hate speech, linked to actual real world violence. And that violences is very common. https://www.mencap.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/2009... > A survey by Mencap of people with a learning disability has found that nearly nine out of ten respon…

I did not contest the facts. But not using the word retard won't help any way. They face prejudice and discrimination because of their condition, not of the way said condition is called. And if we change the word with other - the other word will still be used as an insult. Because the condition itself is highly undesirable. No one wants to have it.

Re: iPhones 'disabled' if Apple detects third-party repairs

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Post by germanier »

mootothemax wrote: post #85

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't. "Anyone can access your private photos and emails! Just replace the home button with one programmed with your own fingerprints!" Can you imagine the comments if that were a story? The problem here is that Apple didn't find a way to tell repair shops and users that this could be an issue.

Then the user would still need to input their passcode after the button was replaced before anything could be stolen.

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Post by stuaxo »

jdsnape wrote: post #2

The way they've reported on this seems a bit misleading. Isn't it just that the third-party repairers haven't reset the security mechanism after replacing the home button?

The phone is still useful without the finger print reader, it should just degrade.

I don't know anyone who uses the fingerprint reader or the purchasing functionality.

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

venomsnake wrote: post #86
andybak wrote: post #67

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Your statement could indicate a range of opinions ranging from ones I agree with to those that are merely a fig-leaf for blatant racism. I'm afraid you'll have to express yourself in some more detail and avoid hollow cliches. This is a complex and nuanced debate.

I find the way racism become THE WORST THING in the world wildly amusing. There are 7 000 000 000 people on the planet and all of them are racist. We people are wired to dislike people not like us.

> We people are wired to dislike people not like us.

a) source?

b) what do you mean by "not like us"? in some ways, no human being on the planet is "like" me, in others, everyone is.

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Post by nibs »

juliendorra wrote: post #127
venomsnake wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the way racism become THE WORST THING in the world wildly amusing. There are 7 000 000 000 people on the planet and all of them are racist. We people are wired to dislike people not like us.

That's exactly because it's a strong, widely shared cognitive bias (wired or not) that it's so important to counter it culturally. Countering natural behavior with culture is what humans do, for better or worse.

And how is that going for you so far?

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Post by Reason077 »

scholia wrote: post #120
Reason077 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of stuff that depends on the secure element - in fact the phone would be quite useless without it. In fact, when you first reboot your phone, even contacts cannot be accessed until you authenticate with your passcode to unlock the secure element. Incoming text messages only show the phone number. You're right, however - a Touch ID sensor that cannot be verified should not brick the phone. Apple should j…

> There's a lot of stuff that depends on the secure element - in fact the phone would be quite useless without it. Disclaimer: I don't own an iPhone with Touch ID. However, it seems to me that the phone should still work if you logged on with your PIN instead of with TouchID. It should therefore be as useful as most phones that didn't have TouchID in the first place (which happens to be all my Android and iOS smartph…

Correct. In fact, a passcode is always required the first time after you reboot your phone. The passcode secures the Secure Element, which contains the fingerprint data used by Touch ID.
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