Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tableau stock down almost 50%

google.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

271–280 of 370 posts

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#271

Post by rockdiesel »

tomasien wrote: post #93
rockdiesel wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that hard to believe unless you were searching just on Google News. Searching "tableau" in Google stills shows their website as well as a large knowledge graph on the right hand side which tells you exactly what the company is about. There's News results at the top of the page, but there's still plenty of information, including the company website, on the first page of results. http://i.imgur.com/tV89FoZ.png

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...

Your link still shows tableau.com as the #1 organic result for me. Do you mind screen grabbing the results you are seeing?

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#272

Post by jstandard »

genericpseudo wrote: post #200
capkutay wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tableau is for business analysts. Splunk is for Sys Admins. ELK is for engineers with a lot of patience.

The ELK stack is really fancy next generation "tail -f | grep" in a web browser. Which is awesome and really important, but a very different problem from "tell me how many users have used my app for three or more days in a sliding thirty day window".

I've been eyeing a switch to the ELK stack from Mixpanel + Big Query for an app. Could you expand on what ELK is useful for?

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#273

Post by frik »

pinaceae wrote: post #5

huge corrections under way, guarantee this is not the end, just the beginning. unicorn slaughter. upside: expect house prices in the SF bay area to become more affordable.

It's the dot-com bubble all over again. Look at the NEWR stock chart, it looks like the dot-com burst in 2000-2001 compressed to a few months. It's happening a lot faster now, then it happened back then.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#274

Post by lmeyerov »

nitrogen wrote: post #248
HappyTypist wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the record, Periscope has an incredibly poor UX. It suggests "run selected query" when you highlight a single column name... As if that's valid sql.

Are there other examples of poor UX? Overeager pattern matching alone wouldn't bother me, but if it's a sign of other inattentiveness...

Periscope is in a distinct, lower tier of usability. You write SQL. Or, put differently, the innovation of Tableau was so you don't have to write SQL for most visual encodings, even non-trivial ones.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#275

Post by TheLogothete »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #193
TheLogothete wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PowerBI has nowhere near the capabilities of Tableau. On top of that, PowerBI is subsidized in order to funnel customers for SQL Server.

What's are some of the biggest things missing in Power BI compared to Tableau?

Those are quite big products, making feature-by-feature comparison would be quite a daunting task.

It all boils down to this, in my opinion: PowerBI is for dashboards and reporting mostly. Tableau can do dashboards, but it can also do "analysis". Uncovering insights in the data that go way beyond simple cross-filtering.

In my mind, they are different tools for different purposes.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#277

Post by lawnchair_larry »

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #260
physcab wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not very scriptable but that's not the use case of Tableau. Generally data analysts do not know how to program. They meet with PMs to understand concerns, interpret concerns into metrics, write some SQL, and display them in dashboards. While Tableau performance is a thing that people debate, its a non-issue. Generally, the data analyst produces a report that is consumed by 1-10 people and if that consumption gro…

>Generally data analysts do not know how to program In my experience, the ones that don't often produce some really erroneous or nonsensical results. Or even if they do get some things right, they have no ability to drill deeper.

Most big companies are actually just fine with nonsensical results. It's a bit odd, but I've realized that nobody who uses BI actually cares much about data quality or integrity.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#278

Post by chris_wot »

notyourwork wrote: post #267
chris_wot wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've played with Tableau, is there no scripting at all? Their previous Director of Analytic Product Management Stephen McDaniel stated that in v8 they were going to add server side Javascript - and he said this in 2012 ... https://community.tableau.com/ideas/1694#comment-2661

Many companies have said things that never materialized. Landscape changes over time.

And the need for scripting has not changed.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#279

Post by peteretep »

chris_wot wrote: post #211
melted wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on whether you want your BI to be generated by a battle tested product, or by a melange of a rickety, buggy, half baked stuff that hardly anyone is able to use without paying $10K+/yr for a support contract.

Um, are you talking about Tableau or Mondrian coupled with Saiku/Pentaho?

Mondrian and Pentaho was a disaster for us, and Pentaho were pretty aggressive about trying to sell us a support contract to fix it

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

#280

Post by endymi0n »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #277
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Generally data analysts do not know how to program In my experience, the ones that don't often produce some really erroneous or nonsensical results. Or even if they do get some things right, they have no ability to drill deeper.

Most big companies are actually just fine with nonsensical results. It's a bit odd, but I've realized that nobody who uses BI actually cares much about data quality or integrity.

This.

BI in large corporations is usually done by people having no clue about the data, producing bullshit results, leading to "insights" to management (who at that point have have no clue that all the cost columns were added up, regardless of currency), leading to a final "product strategy" that gets implemented over the next years, while in all the companies still producing innovation, this is usually done by a rogue team applying common sense and ignoring that strategy all day long.

BI is pure feel-good for upper echelon.

Post reply on HN