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LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Startup CEOs are getting pretty young these days, has your niece been hitting you up for a seed round? I'm thinking an App that is Uber for Lemonade Stands, people in the neighborhood just press the "I'm thirsty" button and one of her "mixologists" nearby makes a lemonade and brings it by. She doesn't make the lemonade or sell it, she is all about connecting thirsty people to industrious people who are putting their…

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Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Just curious, what do you mean, be prepared to move? Did you tell the landlord, "I will move if you don't give me a 10% decrease in rent"? I'm finding it hard to believe that in a market like NYC where the rents are sky high generally increasing, you could get such a discount. It also depends on the kind of property taxes prevalent in the states. e.g. in California, property taxes are set at the time of purchase, whi…

Tenant protection laws in NYC are very tenant-friendly, to a degree where someone who is sufficiently motivated and knows the system can effectively live in an apartment rent-free for up to a year at a time, if not longer. Landlords are scared to death of deadbeat tenants like this, it costs a lot of legal fees to get rid of them, and they're freeloading while you're walking through the necessary legal processes. Eve…

I'm a landlord in New York and I've been a tenant in NYC and this just isn't true.

Vast majority of rentals in NYC if you asked the super for a discount in rent you'd be requested not to let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Please stop trying to remotely argue in favour of the ludicrous rent prices. The point isn't that some combos can work out, the point is that people shouldn't have to buckle down and "combo up" to afford a fucking apartment.

Your comments here are breaking the HN guidelines. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

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Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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Honestly I am feeling a bit of joy watching LinkedIn take a hit. Not because I think their product is terrible but because of the endless spam emails I keep receiving from them, despite how many times I click unsubscribe.

Or how about the phony "people you may know". They suggested I may know my 4 year old Niece because somebody uploaded the email address created for her into their system. She definitely doesn't have a LinkedIn account, but they portray a profile-photoless "shadow profile" as-if she does.

I scraped my 'people you may know' page over 30 days to make sure LinkedIn removed 2000 of my 'stolen contacts' from it. Once they did, 99% of them never appeared again. http://009co.com/?p=9

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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We moved into a new apartment in NYC in the summer of 2009. The previous tenant had a two-year lease at $4500 (struck in July '07). Our rent was $2800. In the rental market a big driver of the landlord decision cycle is needing, at a minimum, to have a reputable tenant and to cover the cost of carry of the asset (mortgage, etc). In many cases if their cost of carry is met (and that's often a low bar....many landlords…

This times 100. A bad tenant can cost you tens of thousands of dollars, not to mention peace of mind. I once had one who lied about owning my property to have a 60 year old tree cut down. It was a nightmare (it turned out he had sued his previous landlord in a bogus sexual harrassment and basically extorted a hundred grand from an elderly woman). I would much rather have someone who pays less, but is financially and…

They even made a movie about it: Pacific Heights.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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I'll get hammered for this, but I just wonder if we will be talking about Google, and Facebook ten years from right now? I know both have diversified, and Google has become best friends with the Obama administration. I just wonder if they will be relevant? These tech companies main reason for living is advertising, and their algorithms. I look back, and Apple had a physical product. Other than Apple, exactly what com…

Advertisement is relevant. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=KO produces nothing of intrinsic value, yet it is valued at $185B. Why? Because they've built and maintained a very valuable brand, via advertisement. The day CocaCola is headed for bankruptcy is the day I start worrying about Google and Facebook.

Market cap is not the same thing as book value, and the book value of the Coca Cola brand is less than $80 billion.

Google is up with Apple and Coca Cola as most valuable brands, but Facebook is not even top 10.

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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A lot of people hating on LNKD here, but this isn't really company-specific. This is a macro shift. LNKD being down by 40% by only guiding down 8% below estimates is a big warning of how the market is about to treat all bloated growth stocks. In 2013, if they reported the same results, the stock would have been flat or slightly down. It's a major shift in investor sentiment. Bubble bursts always start in the public m…

Gloomy, but likely correct. A lot of these current valuation numbers just don't make sense. The implied growth rates in many tech stocks is unrealistically high. The Bay Area's long-term employment prospects simply cannot support current home values or rental rates. Once public and private equity valuations drop a lot of software development projects are going to get cut and with them the jobs of many software engine…

>The Bay Area's long-term employment prospects simply cannot support current home values or rental rates.

Why not? What are you basing this on?

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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I'll get hammered for this, but I just wonder if we will be talking about Google, and Facebook ten years from right now? I know both have diversified, and Google has become best friends with the Obama administration. I just wonder if they will be relevant? These tech companies main reason for living is advertising, and their algorithms. I look back, and Apple had a physical product. Other than Apple, exactly what com…

I think you might be right. I remember about 10 years ago having a discussion with a coworker. He was bemoaning the fact that Microsoft was so far entrenched that nobody would ever be able to challenge them. Back then Microsoft looked like Google does today. Nobody stays on top forever.

but Microsoft is still in top in terms of market share on desktop, and they have started to put a dent into the prosumer tablet market, and they compete well in the gaming market. I'd say they are still "on top"

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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A lot of people hating on LNKD here, but this isn't really company-specific. This is a macro shift. LNKD being down by 40% by only guiding down 8% below estimates is a big warning of how the market is about to treat all bloated growth stocks. In 2013, if they reported the same results, the stock would have been flat or slightly down. It's a major shift in investor sentiment. Bubble bursts always start in the public m…

> 30% decline in bay area real estate values. that won't happen. During the 2008 big burst everywhere in USA was felling apart but in SF real-estate was just down 5%-10%. SF can't expand easily since it's water 3/4 all around. Demand still high and supply very low. That won't change dramatically, with or without a collapse in the public market.

San Francisco had 35% decline from peak in the years following the 2007 bust, across all market segments. Less 'prime' fell first and hardest. But decline was comprehensive.

http://us.spindices.com/indices/real-estate/sp-case-shiller-...

Re: LinkedIn shares drop 40%, erasing $10B of company's value

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A bunch of "well meaning" super wealthy, corrupt individuals can manipulate the world economy as a show of power to Presidential candidates they don't already have in their pocket but soon may...

I like conspiracy theories and I cannot lie...

bleepin' hell

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