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Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by rwmurrayVT »

chris_wot wrote: post #238
vehementi wrote: post #237

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Do you pay tableau $1000 per business report?

Nope. But if you work out costs, I think you'll find a dedicated developer on a contract may well work out the same amount as you spend on licensing.

No, you won't.

1,000 USD/yr for a license.. If you pay someone 100 USD/hr to do the work compared to 50 USD/hr for a random Joe Blow analyst then it only needs to save 20 hours of time.

ITT: A lot of people who don't realize 1k a year isn't an absurd enterprise price.

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Post by pinneycolton »

astine wrote: post #250
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #226

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Tableau is not scriptable. 3 places I have worked are moving away from it because of this severe limitation. You have no control over what queries it writes and you can't easily add simple scripts to make things more seamless or performant, like say a quick scripted query to populate a dropdown menu.

" You have no control over what queries it writes " Huh? Just write a view or a stored procedure and point Tableau at that. There's no need to compose a query in the Tableau interface.

Run a trace on your database and watch the queries Tableau actually runs while building your worksheets and dashboards. It's doing a lot more than you think.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by intrasight »

rms_returns wrote: post #161
jrumbut wrote: post #104

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I think if you are a smaller operation and you have specific requirements that you've thought out and aren't covered well by basic tools, then getting comfortable with JS and SQL (or R or matplotlib or Jupyter or whatever) is going to be the best way. I've spent too much time watching people spend months and tens of thousands trying to bend 12 different third party tools together when a developer could do the whole t…

This. Freelancing is the future. Hiring in-house developers, or better still, freelance programmers will ensure that you will have custom-built your maximum BI tools and with a reasonable price. Of course, finding and hiring good freelancers who are not only dedicated in their craft, but also reasonably priced is a bit involved task, but certainly doable.

>custom-built your maximum BI tools and with a reasonable price Have you ever really seen that happen? Not me.

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Post by bbcbasic »

pinaceae wrote: post #15
ap22213 wrote: post #10

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Doubtful - if global investors aren't putting their money into stocks, they'll just continue to buy up real estate.

Once you take the crazy money out of the equation, the SF Bay Area is not that appealing as a pure real estate play.

It will be after the next ... lets call it business cycle.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by samstave »

Apologies if the following is ignorant:

My exp with tableau was always that they obfuscate the final query...

Fuck that.

Looker doesn't && they even allow a meta Lang on top of them.

So for you to say "just do X" leaves many less sophisticated orgs left in the dark.

So my comment is both:

Fuck their position and yours.

I don't want to pay bullshit fees to tableau (with perf hits) && not be able to see the final query && not need an actually fairly highly competent DBA to know that x+x+x needs to be enabled in order for me to get to root.

If I pay service X give me the full fucking understanding as to how service results are generated.

(Yes yes I do understand how saas blah blah works and I'm just saying I personally find this process bullshit and immoral)

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Post by mrgordon »

IndianAstronaut wrote: post #227
topogios wrote: post #149

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Asking out of curiosity: What does Tableau offer that I can not quickly set up in either Mondrian coupled with a frontend like Saiku or Pentaho or eg. R and a Shiny server?

I don't think enough people have tried Shiny. It is fantastic and super easy. People really assume it is very difficult to get a grasp of.

Yeah I agree. We moved our visualizations from an expensive SaaS product to a few page Shiny metrics app that costs almost nothing.

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

jonknee wrote: post #127
chollida1 wrote: post #50

Though the outcome is a bit worse than I think most predicted, this has been telegraphed since about November of last year. Tableau has had a very high short interest ratio for sometime, everyone was expecting poor results. What really exacerbated their issue was that they didn't get out in front of this and let people know how bad they were going to miss. So when they released earnings everything went to shit on the…

It would make a nice acquisition for Microsoft...

Tableau wrotes the worst queries for Microsoft SQL Server products.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

huherto wrote: post #231
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #226

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Tableau is not scriptable. 3 places I have worked are moving away from it because of this severe limitation. You have no control over what queries it writes and you can't easily add simple scripts to make things more seamless or performant, like say a quick scripted query to populate a dropdown menu.

What are they moving to ?

One is building visuals into the Java based application. Two are using Flask.

Re: Tableau stock down almost 50%

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Post by IndianAstronaut »

physcab wrote: post #230
IndianAstronaut wrote: post #226

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Tableau is not scriptable. 3 places I have worked are moving away from it because of this severe limitation. You have no control over what queries it writes and you can't easily add simple scripts to make things more seamless or performant, like say a quick scripted query to populate a dropdown menu.

It's not very scriptable but that's not the use case of Tableau. Generally data analysts do not know how to program. They meet with PMs to understand concerns, interpret concerns into metrics, write some SQL, and display them in dashboards. While Tableau performance is a thing that people debate, its a non-issue. Generally, the data analyst produces a report that is consumed by 1-10 people and if that consumption gro…

>Generally data analysts do not know how to program

In my experience, the ones that don't often produce some really erroneous or nonsensical results. Or even if they do get some things right, they have no ability to drill deeper.

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