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Re: ZCash (formerly Zerocash/Zerocoin) technology preview

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's... actually a really interesting idea, but you have to consider who you're building the system for - governments, or normal everyday people? There is a principle, that I think has basically been proven at this point, if not academically: A: In any non-optional system used by n people, the bad actors using that system are B: It is impossible to prevent bad actors from misusing any system. C: Trying too hard mea…

It's strictly opt-in, but you won't be able to buy anything if everyone else requires auditable money and you don't want to opt-in. The more people who adopt it, the less tenable it is to stay out. Governments are people. People who use this system nefariously can be sanctioned by refusing to accept money they've touched. We're so afraid of governments misusing their power because our checks and balances have failed…

You're going to have to convince people that adopting this tool is better for them than what they have now for it to stand a chance of adoption.

From a purely selfish standpoint, I would not want to use this system, because I don't want advertisers, insurance companies, malcontents, stalkers, debt collectors, busybodies, three-letter-agencies, data brokers, or any other random with an internet connection to know that I spent money at a hypothetical STD clinic or received money for participating in a scientific study.

This plan introduces a huge number of of unknown unknowns, where right now, we've got a pretty good idea of how widespread the corruption is, the forms it generally takes, and what, if anything, we can do about it. And since past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, I can look backwards to see how behavioral data is abused right now, and say with complete certainty that it would be abused more under this system.

No thanks.

Re: ZCash (formerly Zerocash/Zerocoin) technology preview

#64
post #2

Nothing new here. Add it to the pile of hundreds of other altcoins. Why is this here? Feels like the pump-and-dump world of altcoins is being done here to pump up this post.

Given that the coin hasn't launched yet, it can't be a pump-and-dump. Anyone who wants to profit that way has to pump after they obtain their coins, and it's not yet possible to obtain zcash coins.

Re: ZCash (formerly Zerocash/Zerocoin) technology preview

#66
post #30

For those of you concerned about pump and dump, they've specifically addressed it in a blog post [1]. And they are open sourcing a ton of stuff. But that's addressed in their blog. So to me, the lay man, it seems like they won't be doing a pump and dump. I say lay man because I'm really not qualified to assert that my statements are indeed correct. [1] https://z.cash/blog/funding.html

From that link I see this: > With this approach, the founders are incentivized to support Zcash for the long haul (at least for four years), and they have limited ability to pump-and-dump. I don't see how anyone can audit that statement since the transactions are encrypted [1]. [1] https://z.cash/tech.html

> I don't see how anyone can audit that statement since the transactions are encrypted

Couldn't one audit the code? Provided zcash itself doesn't have 51% or more of the mining network post launch the open source code should be verifiable and needs to have some special case to route the "founder reward". Though I admit I haven't looked through the source code so I may be missing something.

Re: ZCash (formerly Zerocash/Zerocoin) technology preview

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strictly opt-in, but you won't be able to buy anything if everyone else requires auditable money and you don't want to opt-in. The more people who adopt it, the less tenable it is to stay out. Governments are people. People who use this system nefariously can be sanctioned by refusing to accept money they've touched. We're so afraid of governments misusing their power because our checks and balances have failed…

You're going to have to convince people that adopting this tool is better for them than what they have now for it to stand a chance of adoption. From a purely selfish standpoint, I would not want to use this system, because I don't want advertisers, insurance companies, malcontents, stalkers, debt collectors, busybodies, three-letter-agencies, data brokers, or any other random with an internet connection to know that…

I agree that conservatism has virtues. Change does introduce unknown unknowns. I think there's a good strategy for handling them: when people do undesirable things, sanction them.

Change is inevitable. Zcash is here, so regulation is dead. Conservatism isn't an option: we have to choose how to adapt to change. I think merit capitalism is the right choice.

Thanks for your questions! Good talk.

Re: ZCash (formerly Zerocash/Zerocoin) technology preview

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>Please, just tell me it's not premine. Why are you opposed to premining? (I had to look up the term, so I'm not baiting you! I don't see the problem, so I'd like to hear your thoughts).

Premining devalues future work done on a cryptocurrency because the underlying idea is to decentralize money, and the coins found at the start of a blockchain are easier to generate because the target difficulty for finding a block is significantly lower. The most famous case of premining I can think of is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinye (ltc clone), where people started mining it after dogecoin began. Dogecoin…

Zcash gets %10 of the mined coins for the first 4 years and %1 goes to a foundation. This is their business model. It seems reasonable to me... using the currency you're creating to fund the development of the currency.

If Zcash ends up worthless, then they won't have captured any value.

Since it's not a pre-mine it's not subject to the pump-and-dump dynamics of a pre-mine... it will take 4 years and the coins will have to be valuable over those four years for them to net anything.

It's a reasonable approach to aligning the companies interests with those of the users.

I'd love to hear a better one though, if you know of one.

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