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Repeat after me coders: Sales is not evil.
That doesn't mean I'm not glad they all sit clear on the other side of the office in a quarantined section where they can extrovert at each other all day and leave the rest of us to code in peace.
Hm, who actually uses GitLab or Atlassian? Who else is getting lots of users en masse at this level that they become dependent on the software, if GH goes down, there goes a ton of open source and indie devs who depend on it. Re: enterprise sales, well that's startup life for you. Re: hiring & sales - on a semi tangential noet Honestly, when I visited GH last year and met the very (few) women that worked there (they…
It's basically a social networking site.
For real work, every company I've worked for in the past 5-10 years has used Atlassian tooling, either cloud-based or self-hosted. I have plenty of complaints about Bitbucket, but Atlassian OWNS the enterprise. And quite frankly, although it lacks GitHub's network effect for open-source projects... a lot of people prefer Bitbucket's interface, tooling, and pricing model for corporate team development (i.e. the situation for most PAYING users).
That's not how you English.
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Enterprise sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do, and then forcing engineering to make it a reality on a compressed timeline because "this is a deal we can't afford to lose." Repeatedly. No idea if that's happeing at GitHub, but I've seen it happen a few other places, and it sucks for the engineering and product teams even if the sales people are in a different state. In…
> sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do Maybe this is a trope from the 90s and 2000s or from a Scott Adams cartoon, but I disagree this is representative of most enterprise sales these days. Maybe I'm just spoiled, but every company I've worked at the past decade has had a knowledgeable sales force. I've been asked plenty of times, "can you add this feature for a huge cus…
Every sale matters when you don't have customers, and if it means a little back-breaking work to get that first bit of revenue, I know very few companies with the fortitude to say 'No'.
Once the product has established a foothold, reputation, or repeatable sales process that works, product managers get an idea of exactly what it is that customers want, and across more than one data point. From that, they're able to communicate the exact value they provide to the sales team, and that sales team is able to approach customers with an actual, legitimate, proven value proposition.
It isn't until the product team really knows what they have that those requests become easier to turn down.
(Or at least, that's been my experience.)
Hm, who actually uses GitLab or Atlassian? Who else is getting lots of users en masse at this level that they become dependent on the software, if GH goes down, there goes a ton of open source and indie devs who depend on it. Re: enterprise sales, well that's startup life for you. Re: hiring & sales - on a semi tangential noet Honestly, when I visited GH last year and met the very (few) women that worked there (they…
Hm, who actually uses GitLab or Atlassian? Who else is getting lots of users en masse at this level that they become dependent on the software, if GH goes down, there goes a ton of open source and indie devs who depend on it. Re: enterprise sales, well that's startup life for you. Re: hiring & sales - on a semi tangential noet Honestly, when I visited GH last year and met the very (few) women that worked there (they…
Bitbucket is generally used for two reasons: 1: better Jira integration 2: no limit on number of projects The second reason makes it very popular among small design/dev shops.
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You must have worked in a shitty place if your weren't with any programmers that laughed or drank beer.
This is an extreme interpretation of what I said. I had a good time, they were my friends, but absolutely everyone was male and introverted. I could elaborate, but do I need to or do you see how that could get stale?
I've spent time in small startups and large enterprises myself. An introvert, who chose to work in a sales-oriented Fortune 500 environment, could often write a very similar rant in reverse. Not only referencing plenty of sexism, but adding in a lot more racism and homophobia hints to boot.
Sorry your last gig wasn't a fit. Glad your new one is. Don't paint with too broad a brush.
That's a nice crisis to have.
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The trick is, I think GitHub stopped being a software company. At some point (after Tom left), GitHub was taken over by finance people to just pump money out of the VC system. Is there any other explanation for why GitHub The Corporation has completely stopped interacting with GitHub The Community? GitHub raised $250 million last year and, as you mentioned, there's nothing externally visible to show for it (as consum…
> GitHub raised $250 million last year and, as you mentioned, there's nothing externally visible to show for it I completely agree, I've never been able to take github seriously as a GUI -- (e.g. there is still no way to search commits). > All this gets back to a bigger trend we see these days: closed platforms are like governments (google, apple, github, twitter). I don't think it's the same to include Github into t…
Just an FYI. I've implemented commits search among other things for GitHub. You can learn more about it here:
Note the latest GitSense version doesn't include branch level code searching. I'm still testing this out, and I'll be releasing another GitSense update very soon, which also includes support for BitBucket.
And sometime next week, I'm going to start looking for beta testers for my indexing engine, which is what makes all of this possible. If you have 10,000 or less commits in your repository, you'll be able to install and use the indexing engine for free. However the free version won't include diff indexing, as that greatly increases the number of moving parts.
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Enterprise sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do, and then forcing engineering to make it a reality on a compressed timeline because "this is a deal we can't afford to lose." Repeatedly. No idea if that's happeing at GitHub, but I've seen it happen a few other places, and it sucks for the engineering and product teams even if the sales people are in a different state. In…
> sales people can make a habit of selling things that the product can't currently do Maybe this is a trope from the 90s and 2000s or from a Scott Adams cartoon, but I disagree this is representative of most enterprise sales these days. Maybe I'm just spoiled, but every company I've worked at the past decade has had a knowledgeable sales force. I've been asked plenty of times, "can you add this feature for a huge cus…