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Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by zaphar »

erinjerri16 wrote: post #18

Hm, who actually uses GitLab or Atlassian? Who else is getting lots of users en masse at this level that they become dependent on the software, if GH goes down, there goes a ton of open source and indie devs who depend on it. Re: enterprise sales, well that's startup life for you. Re: hiring & sales - on a semi tangential noet Honestly, when I visited GH last year and met the very (few) women that worked there (they…

I don't use Github. I do use Bitbucket. Now my stuff is mostly single dev, for fun projects. I've never particularly liked the Github forced social presence. And I prefer mercurial over git for my vcs.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by zaphar »

GunboatDiplomat wrote: post #27
untilHellbanned wrote: post #22

Repeat after me coders: Sales is not evil.

Sales are indeed evil. Or at least callous and ignorant. Which looks very similar from the position of a coder.

They are not evil unless you hire the wrong sales people. They are necessary. Speaking as someone who tried to start a company without anyone who could sell on payroll once.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by sarciszewski »

shampine wrote: post #39
sarciszewski wrote: post #35

The only reason I still use Github is because of the network effect. If they fall apart, I'll migrate to a self-hosted Gitlab instance and that will be the end of that. I'm just hoping that, should GH fail, it hold off on failing until I learn Ruby sufficiently well to review the entire GL code base so I can deploy it with confidence . EDIT: Yes, "with confidence" is a very important qualifier that is drastically imp…

Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? It is an apt-get installation now that they ported to Omnibus. The days of debugging gem errors on compile and migrating by hand are over.

> Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab?

I already answered this. Quoting my post above:

> so I can deploy it with confidence

Emphasis is important.

Background: I do application security consulting. Do you expect me to trust the code that other developers write without verifying that it's not a pile of lacey Swiss first?

Also, if I do find any bugs, I'll report them upstream (since they are open source) so my paranoia is probably going to be beneficial to other GitLab customers some day.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by beaner »

hueving wrote: post #30
beaner wrote: post #9

Is anyone else bored by hoodie culture? I used to work at a startup like that when I was young, and I enjoyed it then, but there can be so much more to companies. Where I work now, engineering is roughly a quarter of the company. The rest is made up of legal, compliance, business development, people ops and some other miscellaneous. You know what? It's great. There are more extroverts in the office, people who go out…

You must have worked in a shitty place if your weren't with any programmers that laughed or drank beer.

This is an extreme interpretation of what I said. I had a good time, they were my friends, but absolutely everyone was male and introverted. I could elaborate, but do I need to or do you see how that could get stale?

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by beaner »

spike021 wrote: post #32
beaner wrote: post #9

Is anyone else bored by hoodie culture? I used to work at a startup like that when I was young, and I enjoyed it then, but there can be so much more to companies. Where I work now, engineering is roughly a quarter of the company. The rest is made up of legal, compliance, business development, people ops and some other miscellaneous. You know what? It's great. There are more extroverts in the office, people who go out…

Not sure what you're trying to say here? I work at a company where the dress can be anywhere from hoodies to jeans and collared shirts. We have sales people who are really awesome and extroverted, yet they come in wearing hoodies, or hawaiian shirts on hawaiian shirt day, but also know how to dress more formally when necessary.

I use "hoodie culture" to mean generally introverted male programmers. That there are obviously exceptions is a little missing the point I think.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by jrochkind1 »

sarciszewski wrote: post #44
shampine wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? It is an apt-get installation now that they ported to Omnibus. The days of debugging gem errors on compile and migrating by hand are over.

> Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? I already answered this. Quoting my post above: > so I can deploy it with confidence Emphasis is important. Background: I do application security consulting. Do you expect me to trust the code that other developers write without verifying that it's not a pile of lacey Swiss first? Also, if I do find any bugs, I'll report them upstream (s…

You don't use any software you haven't reviewed the entire codebase of? How about the browser you're reading this with?

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by sytse »

sarciszewski wrote: post #44
shampine wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? It is an apt-get installation now that they ported to Omnibus. The days of debugging gem errors on compile and migrating by hand are over.

> Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? I already answered this. Quoting my post above: > so I can deploy it with confidence Emphasis is important. Background: I do application security consulting. Do you expect me to trust the code that other developers write without verifying that it's not a pile of lacey Swiss first? Also, if I do find any bugs, I'll report them upstream (s…

We welcome all the paranoia we can get. Please be informed that multiple organizations have done security audits for GitLab and we have paid external parties to perform them for us. That doesn't mean there are no bugs anymore.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by forgotpwtomain »

seiji wrote: post #34
devinus wrote: post #24

I've been on GitHub since the earliest days, and I've definitely noticed that there's something going on -- or the lack of anything going on more like it. When was the last time a big feature that people are actually clamoring for was added to GitHub (and let's not pretend LFS fits that description)? Meanwhile you have the maintainers of the most popular projects publicly begging for changes they've been waiting year…

The trick is, I think GitHub stopped being a software company. At some point (after Tom left), GitHub was taken over by finance people to just pump money out of the VC system. Is there any other explanation for why GitHub The Corporation has completely stopped interacting with GitHub The Community? GitHub raised $250 million last year and, as you mentioned, there's nothing externally visible to show for it (as consum…

> GitHub raised $250 million last year and, as you mentioned, there's nothing externally visible to show for it

I completely agree, I've never been able to take github seriously as a GUI -- (e.g. there is still no way to search commits).

> All this gets back to a bigger trend we see these days: closed platforms are like governments (google, apple, github, twitter).

I don't think it's the same to include Github into these, the main facility provided by github is simply a centralized host for your git repo, Git is FOSS and there are a number of alternatives.

Re: GitHub is apparently in crisis again

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Post by sarciszewski »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #47
sarciszewski wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you feel you would need to review the entire codebase to deploy Gitlab? I already answered this. Quoting my post above: > so I can deploy it with confidence Emphasis is important. Background: I do application security consulting. Do you expect me to trust the code that other developers write without verifying that it's not a pile of lacey Swiss first? Also, if I do find any bugs, I'll report them upstream (s…

You don't use any software you haven't reviewed the entire codebase of? How about the browser you're reading this with?

> You don't use any software you haven't reviewed the entire codebase of?

This is a fallacy. You're putting words in my mouth, because I did not make that argument.

I do not use any software WITH CONFIDENCE that I haven't reviewed the entire codebase of.

I still use software I don't feel confident about using every day.

> How about the browser you're reading this with?

Use it, just not with confidence. I'm ready to wipe this computer's hard drive at the drop of a hat if it lets me down.

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