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Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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If this is the kind of impetus needed to set off patent reform, all the better. I would argue against the "Troll" label, it is a legal firm doing its job very well. The Troll bashers I assume would prefer the companies to just leave this $ to the infringes? Why? Is it somehow immoral to use the legal system for financial gain? No, it is not, not at all. I'd say good on them for finding the loop holes and driving thei…

Typically the 'troll' label is applied to companies like Virnetx because they produce nothing of value. They are strictly rent seekers - net negative economic value creators. "It's a massive verdict for VirnetX, a company that has no products and makes its money solely through patent litigation."

Even that's selectively looking at the facts though. At some point they paid for those patents, and that theoretically put money in the pockets of creators, incentivizing them to create more.

That said, to my eyes it's clearly a subversion of the intended purpose of patents, and is societally damaging, so I see no problem with derogatory labeling of this behavior and those that take part in it. It's unfortunate, but it's an important part of getting consensus in a short time frame with a large populace.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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I have a modest proposal to get rid of these patent trolls and these ridiculous settlements that typically are decided by a jury of West Texas farmers. Patents ought to be designated a non-transferrable property. Inventors may create a trust that receives patent revenues, and direct those revenues to any entity they please (their own company, their heirs, another company, a charity, etc.) but would not be able to act…

Small but important quibble from a Texan's viewpoint: these settlements are being decided in East Texas which is over 500 miles from anywhere in West Texas (imagine the distance from Cincinnati to NYC), and I think the juries there have more people in poverty than farmers.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh well, I guess that's the loophole in my proposal. But at least, a patent troll would have to buy an entire corporation rather than just its patent portfolio. Kodak, again: if let us say Toshiba wants Kodak's imaging patents, they'd have to buy Kodak in its entirety. At least this would raise the bar to acquiring patents.

I actually sort of like your proposal. Don't individuals have to file for patents and then employees buy it off them for like $1? If this is true, existing patents would fall into this loophole, but new patents could never end up in corporate hands since you can't buy a person. Another issue I see is that patent trolls could just represent patent owners in litigation and charge high legal fees (or sign a contract tha…

No, if an employee produces something patent-worthy as part of employment, when they file the employee is listed as the inventor, but the employer is the assignee, so they own it from its inception. There's no "buy for $1" transfer.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get this. Is there some paid off official there? Different standards? Why is it such a great place to win patent troll suits - which seem to get overturned in higher courts? Is the idea that a win there will stop the defendant from trying to appeal?

Systemic corruption. The area benefits from having lot's of Patent cases.

I don't think it's a coincidence there is that there is a ice skating rink right in front of the courthouse in Marshall, Texas with giant Samsung logos all over it (relevant John Oliver clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxcc3SM_KA#t=7m53s) .

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #45

Almost as much as the $1B Apple was originally supposed to win from Samsung for equally silly patents. (It's since been slashed down to a tenth of that, but still.) Is it too much to say "live by the sword, die by the sword"?

What would you do if you were Apple? Would VirnetX have refused to go after them just because Apple had not gone after Samsung for "equally silly" patents?

Seems like what you really want to say is "don't hate the player, hate the game."

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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From the VirnetX website: http://virnetx.com/company/virnetx-promise/ "Cutting-edge secure communications technology is only one of the essential elements of our products – another is integrity. ..." lol, what products?

It's actually sad that this company with only patents and no products is a listed public company on a regulated US exchange.
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