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Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #5

One patent troll has to pay another patent troll.. Good.

Perhaps apple ABUSES patents (that's a different discussion I do not want to get into), but I prefer to reserve the term "patent troll" for those individuals or organizations that do not actually perform invention nor manufacture, sales and marketing of actual products.

That doesn't seem like a very useful distinction. Suppose new patent troll legislation comes along that would prevent enforcing a patent that isn't actively being used or developed (similar to trademarks). The trolls would just produce a cheap gizmo that depends on the patent in some way, and then blame the lack of sales on patent infringement. They'd colloquially still be called "trolls" based on a subjective judgment that they aren't really serious about selling the gizmo.

When someone calls Apple et al. a patent troll, I think it's from the perception that they 1) apply for overly broad or obvious patents, and 2) enforce the patents offensively. Also a very subjective definition, but it doesn't seem any worse than arbitrary "uses/plans to use" criteria.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #25

Now this Patent Troll has even more ammunition to shakedown companies in future whilst encouraging creation of even more low-life leeching NPE's. Clearly Patent Trolls adds negative value, harms progress and increases cost of business - how long will this legal racketeering be allowed to continue?

> low-life leeching NPE's

NullPointerExceptions?

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #19

If this is the kind of impetus needed to set off patent reform, all the better. I would argue against the "Troll" label, it is a legal firm doing its job very well. The Troll bashers I assume would prefer the companies to just leave this $ to the infringes? Why? Is it somehow immoral to use the legal system for financial gain? No, it is not, not at all. I'd say good on them for finding the loop holes and driving thei…

Typically the 'troll' label is applied to companies like Virnetx because they produce nothing of value. They are strictly rent seekers - net negative economic value creators.

"It's a massive verdict for VirnetX, a company that has no products and makes its money solely through patent litigation."

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #26

I have a modest proposal to get rid of these patent trolls and these ridiculous settlements that typically are decided by a jury of West Texas farmers. Patents ought to be designated a non-transferrable property. Inventors may create a trust that receives patent revenues, and direct those revenues to any entity they please (their own company, their heirs, another company, a charity, etc.) but would not be able to act…

Are you saying that companies can't bought other companies and take ownership of their patents?

Oh well, I guess that's the loophole in my proposal.

But at least, a patent troll would have to buy an entire corporation rather than just its patent portfolio. Kodak, again: if let us say Toshiba wants Kodak's imaging patents, they'd have to buy Kodak in its entirety. At least this would raise the bar to acquiring patents.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #19

If this is the kind of impetus needed to set off patent reform, all the better. I would argue against the "Troll" label, it is a legal firm doing its job very well. The Troll bashers I assume would prefer the companies to just leave this $ to the infringes? Why? Is it somehow immoral to use the legal system for financial gain? No, it is not, not at all. I'd say good on them for finding the loop holes and driving thei…

Wait, what? Since when is exploiting the legal system for financial gain not immoral?

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #32
post #25

Now this Patent Troll has even more ammunition to shakedown companies in future whilst encouraging creation of even more low-life leeching NPE's. Clearly Patent Trolls adds negative value, harms progress and increases cost of business - how long will this legal racketeering be allowed to continue?

> low-life leeching NPE's NullPointerExceptions?

Non Practicing Entities - i.e. trolls.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #35
post #19

If this is the kind of impetus needed to set off patent reform, all the better. I would argue against the "Troll" label, it is a legal firm doing its job very well. The Troll bashers I assume would prefer the companies to just leave this $ to the infringes? Why? Is it somehow immoral to use the legal system for financial gain? No, it is not, not at all. I'd say good on them for finding the loop holes and driving thei…

Wait, what? Since when is exploiting the legal system for financial gain not immoral?

Since lawyers existed?

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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post #25

Now this Patent Troll has even more ammunition to shakedown companies in future whilst encouraging creation of even more low-life leeching NPE's. Clearly Patent Trolls adds negative value, harms progress and increases cost of business - how long will this legal racketeering be allowed to continue?

Or maybe they act to keep the big players honest?

The big players can afford it, their existence just adds a barrier to entry and causes more harm to young/unestablished companies.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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From the VirnetX website: http://virnetx.com/company/virnetx-promise/ "Cutting-edge secure communications technology is only one of the essential elements of our products – another is integrity. ..." lol, what products?

FWIW, it looks like they acquired these patents from a company that actually does make something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Applications_Internati...

This is speculative, but these patent filings were probably part of a patent filing strategy that helped justify the employment of a what was likely a decent number of engineers by the original owner.

Re: Apple Ordered to Pay $625M to Patent Troll in FaceTime Lawsuit

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From the VirnetX website: http://virnetx.com/company/virnetx-promise/ "Cutting-edge secure communications technology is only one of the essential elements of our products – another is integrity. ..." lol, what products?

http://virnetx.com/virnetxs-gabriel-collaboration-suite-now-...

Not sure if they're actually out there, but at least their website lists one product.

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