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Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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TL;DR for parent comment: "It's not as mature as Evernote, and it has a bigger footprint." Therefore your comment is unfair: if provides a less complex evernote function that many could use. Neither of these is unfixable over time, as the product develops, and some may be a function of the increased security implementation. None of these criticisms stops the app being usable, as far as I can see.

> Neither of these is unfixable over time JS on desktop is never going to perform well.

Then get rid of JS. I doubt Turtl is married to JS, it just happens to be the greatest common denominator.

Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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This is the game these companies play - they provide a service so slick that people will use it regardless of the privacy concerns. And of course I am one of those people... I use Evernote because I can take notes anywhere very easily (in my browser, my OS, my phone) and then have access to them always in sync very easily, online and offline. Couple that with nested tags and saved search queries and I unfortunately s…

Like almost all 'cloud' services, I treat all data in Evernote as non-confidential and thus don't keep private information within it and I take regular backups. Do I trust a hobby / standard web-dev project as any more secure just because they day it is and might have an extra layer of encryption - no.

This is important: there's a trust barrier to entry here. Why trust some random guy on the internet? You wouldn't. Nor would I expect anyone to actually pour through the source code to determine if the crypto is sound.

Sometime soon I'm hoping to get enough cash rounded up for a security audit and get a few thumbs up from the security community so at least you won't be taking my word for it. Not only that, I'd love to make the product rock-solid. As much crypto as I've studied in the past few years, nothing beats an expert looking things over.

Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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I feel the UI (of the desktop version) is a bit lacking.

Within one minute from installing it, the following happened.

I added a note: a text note, fine. So a side bar opens...

Why is it only ever a side bar? I have a 1920px wide monitor - not really unusual - but you're forcing me to edit my notes in a fixed 700px sidebar, the rest of the screen estate just darkened out. Evernote lets me use all my screen.

But I've typed some stuff in. So, I'm clicking on "Add text note", the first most obvious call-to-action that catches my eye. A dialog pops up: "The note has unsaved changes. Really leave?". Well, I just clicked on "Add text note", what do you mean?

Only after a while I realized that I'm not supposed to click on the most prominent (white on black) caption bar at the top, but on the greenish "Add" in bottom right corner. Even though the title does say "Add text note", which is as explicit as it gets.

Okay, time to edit my note. It opens in preview mode by default, I still have to click on a floating button to make it editable - another little mental bump, but okay.

I can click on an eye icon to get a preview of the note. Once I do that, the eye icon vanishes, and I'm left with an uneditable note. That's quite weird, normally the "eye" icon would just be replaced with a symbol indicating return to edit mode, allowing to switch back and forth with no fuss. Makes sense, especially sice it's easy to anticipate that the preview function would often be used just to quickly catch a glimpse of whether our work (markup, etc.) looks fine, and further we go, it's not a Rembrandt painting : )

Not here, though - I click on the eye, but in order to resume editing I have to move mouse cursor to the left now, and tap on the "I guess I'm sort of a power user (I'm a software dev for starters), so these confusions don't stop me for more than 5 seconds each. It is frustrating nevertheless, because being computer-savvy, I'm not used to that. And when my mum clicks "Add text note" only to be asked if she really wants to cancel all changes, I can tell you she'll look like a deer in headlights rather than mumble "what's this bs" as I did ; )

I understand you're an indie dev, but hallway usability testing doesn't require hiring focus groups etc., all it takes is have a few people sit in front of the monitor and watch them go at it

Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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Is something wrong with the CSS on the site? Everything looks kind of overly large in my browser (Desktop Linux Chrome).

Proportions wise it all looks on Firefox 44 and the CSS seems to be valid, the image of the phone is however 360KB but that's the kind of large you're talking about.

Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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http://i.imgur.com/sDzAMjg.png That’s a rather large font size.

Well yeah, we need a callout or customers won't know where to look.

In all seriousness though, it seems the site has linux/chrome issues. I am looking into it.

Thanks for the screenshot =]

Re: Show HN: Turtl – A secure, encrypted Evernote alternative

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Evernote made the mistake of going multiplatform really aggressively and too much scope creep. I'm glad to see they're scaling back a lot of their scope creep. Goo on you for trying to do this. Be ambitious and swing for the fences. Evernote's product crashes frequently.

On which platform? I use Evernote a lot on Windows and Android, and a bit on iOS, and haven't seen a crash in a very long time.

Out of my experience it's stable on Windows, although lacking in other departments (eg. no dark theme)
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