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Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by Jach » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:06 AM UTC

gnaritas wrote: post #37

mempko wrote: post #22

I'm a bit unusual here. I have never taken any drugs. I don't drink alcohol. I am also not judgmental. There is the concept of the waking dream. That we are always in a dream which keeps being guided by our senses. Where the mind corrects the dream based on what we feel, see, and hear. Psychedelics seem to break this process. When people say they have "Profound" experiences, do they mean they finally understand this?…

> Maybe these drugs are just a shortcut. That's exactly what they are. Few people reach through meditation what these drugs can show anyone, but meditation will get you there as well, perhaps with more control.

I'm still skeptical. I suspect meditation can give something similar, but not the same, as something like heroin, just like running can get you a "runner's high". But the brain just can't produce arbitrary chemical formulas.

A fun passage from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2011/07/dispatc...

"The serious heroin aficionado, if still functional, lives his junkie life surrounded by poor dumb muggles who believe they're getting "high on life." Bullshit! High is spelled heroin. Your muggle can't even imagine high. It's like trying to explain electricity to a blind man."

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by askafriend » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:11 AM UTC

kurage wrote: post #28

kendallpark wrote: post #19

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> it alleviated my ADHD symptoms What ADHD symptoms did it alleviate?

Bumping into objects, living in my head all day, failure to follow up on appointments, messy room, always lost things, moved around constantly, and more.

How did it affect these things? I have a hard time imagining how it could all of a sudden fix ADHD symptoms like that.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by waterlesscloud » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:12 AM UTC

selestify wrote: post #40

eric001 wrote: post #29

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Ask strangers in suitable environments.

And where would one find such "suitable" environments? It's not like I can just go to a shady bar and ask around.

You can, but you'll have no idea what you're actually getting. It may or may not be LSD, and it may or may not be mixed with something else.

You ideally want to develop a trusted source, probably through someone you know

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by verymerryalt » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:13 AM UTC

401 wrote: post #31

SN76477 wrote: post #25

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A bad trip can be really BAD. No one wants a bad trip.

To add on to this, I know mixing drugs isn't kosher, but if this is a real worry to someone taking it, having xanax on stand-by is a good idea. SWIM came very close to a bad trip many times, on high doses, and having a "break glass incase of emergency" was enough to get through it.

I'd like to chime in with a personal anecdote relevant to what you've mentioned. The TL;DR is "Having Xanax is incredibly comforting when a trip goes sideways; it worked for me and friends, it worked fast, and it was quite effective."

The day before yesterday, a friend and I took 2CB nasally for the third time, for both of us. Quick note: 2CB is roughly similar to LSD.

As it turned out, the previous two times we had been losing quite a bit of 2CB during the snorting process because we where basically pressing our faces against the surface then inhaling. This led to some 2CB stuck on our face, some stuck just inside the nose, etc. Because such small amounts of 2CB are so effective, this loss meant we where experiencing an order of magnitude fewer effects.

So, it's our third time, but this time we decide to use a straw. Using a straw meant we got the full amount instead of losing the majority. The net effect was we found ourselves in the middle of an experience that was orders of magnitude more than what we where emotionally prepared for. If we'd been aiming for the experience we where having, we'd have been fine; but since it was so unexpected it felt very uncomfortable.

After about an hour, my friend was lucid enough to get a Xanax for himself and offer me one as well. The Xanax stopped that trip in it's tracks. 15 minutes after taking, lucidity solidified and I was back to being able to hold conversations. Within 30 minutes, we where down to only very subtle visuals, and within 45 minutes, the trip was effectively over.

To reiterate, Xanax worked for me, and I'll be keeping it around as a safety feature in the future.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by WiseWeasel » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:14 AM UTC

selestify wrote: post #40

eric001 wrote: post #29

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Ask strangers in suitable environments.

And where would one find such "suitable" environments? It's not like I can just go to a shady bar and ask around.

A couple suggestions:

http://phish.com/tours/

http://www.widespreadpanic.com/tour

Also, pretty much any large multi-day music festival with a campground, especially reggae. Suppliers are way less discreet at these kind of venues. You'd typically either get lucky and get whatever they say it is, or not and get something that has no effect; chances of something dangerous are low.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by talles » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:17 AM UTC

eric001 wrote: post #29

selestify wrote: post #21

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How do you go about obtaining such things if none of your friends do it either?

Ask strangers in suitable environments.

Unfortunately it's not that simple. There's a good chance of ending up with some designer drug instead of the real thing. And those are well known to be dangerous.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dYzmZ1IU4zY

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by Chathamization » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:24 AM UTC

selestify wrote: post #21

kshahkshah wrote: post #11

There is a lot going on in this article and I won't comment on all of it. I'll just address people who are perhaps curious about psychedelics. May I highly suggest that those wishing to experiment with psychedelics do it only in a place where you feel absolutely safe. That is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue), or neighbours to bother you. Additionally and I do think this is very important: in nature .…

How do you go about obtaining such things if none of your friends do it either?

Probably not the fastest way, but you could keep an eye on Hopkins' site and volunteer for a study:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/psychiatry/research/volunteer...

It has the added effect of being legal, and being done in a setting meant to give one a pleasant experience. Their psilocybin ("magic mushrooms") research is worth checking out. They found it had no lasting harmful effects in any of the volunteers, and overall seemed to have long-lasting positive effects in many people:

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/single_do...

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by pakled_engineer » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:26 AM UTC

I did a ridiculous amount of LSD made by Nicholas Sand in the 90s and never had a bad trip. I did it in the worst possible settings due to idiocy of youth and all is good. Don't take too much if you've never done it, and stay away from traffic and you'll be fine.

I didn't have any profound experiences, it was just fun to do. I did liquid and blotters, started at two doubles, then over time usually two "quads" which is 8 hits of insane quality Sand produced acid. It was way too much but I was never out of control, when it got crazy I just thought wow this shit is great.

I did however always get sick whenever I tried Shrooms, that was pretty awful tripping and puking at the same time.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by BookmarkSaver » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:29 AM UTC

kshahkshah wrote: post #11

There is a lot going on in this article and I won't comment on all of it. I'll just address people who are perhaps curious about psychedelics. May I highly suggest that those wishing to experiment with psychedelics do it only in a place where you feel absolutely safe. That is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue), or neighbours to bother you. Additionally and I do think this is very important: in nature .…

I agree with just about everything you said, except the "in nature" part. Don't get me wrong, tripping in nature is awesome, maybe the best place to trip. But it isn't necessary and might not even be the best for your first time (depending on what you are doing). They real key is to not have too many stimuli out of your control, particularly having lots and lots of strangers around. Especially if you have to interact with them for whatever reason.

Other than that you are fine. As long as you are in full control of what you are doing and you don't feel pressured by strangers then most people will be perfectly comfortable. And while tripping in nature has generally been more enjoyable for me, interacting with really good friends (especially ones also tripping with me, one of the best parts of the trip) and seeing your familiar surroundings with a new mind was the most valuable part to me.

Re: LSD: My Life-Saving Drug

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Post by verymerryalt » Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 1:30 AM UTC

selestify wrote: post #21

kshahkshah wrote: post #11

There is a lot going on in this article and I won't comment on all of it. I'll just address people who are perhaps curious about psychedelics. May I highly suggest that those wishing to experiment with psychedelics do it only in a place where you feel absolutely safe. That is, no risk of police, parents (if that is an issue), or neighbours to bother you. Additionally and I do think this is very important: in nature .…

How do you go about obtaining such things if none of your friends do it either?

When considering only acquiring substances, unless you know someone who has/is a solid source, your best bet is probably to make use of what's referred to as "dark net markets", which basically means "forums within Tor dedicated to selling substances." You can read about how to get involved with one of these through various resources online. In this case, Google is your friend.

Do note that it's not trivial to get into this in a cautious way. It will take some work to get Bitcoins, and it's possible you may lose some money to fraudulent sellers. However, the people I know source all their psychedelics this way, so it does work (at least for some people).

On the subject of finding people: if you're comfortable, you can invite your friends. This might not be wise if they're not comfortable with psychedelics, so tread lightly. Anecdotally, I got into all this literally just by asking people I knew, it turned out they where all willing and things have been fun ever since!