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Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by shock »

Fuxy wrote: post #100
seagreen wrote: post #89

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. Here's Quiver's: https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Quiver-Data-Format It's . . . really good. Like, _really_ good. I particularly like that they keep the metadata and the content of the note separate. This is the same thing Camlistore does, and it's nice for version control b…

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

I use Zim on Linux. When I saw the Quiver screenshots I thought "hey, this is very similar to Zim!"

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by lhc- »

coldtea wrote: post #184
mintplant wrote: post #139

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It should be up to the buyer whether or not they choose to take that risk, not to the seller to paternalistically make that decision for them.

Errr, isn't traditionally the seller that decides, if, when and for how long they want to sell their wares?

But in this case, the buyer already purchased the product.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by ssmoot »

wernercd wrote: post #132
Fuxy wrote: post #100

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Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

It's a small flaw... compared to not being on Windows. I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform.

http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech...

According to the StackOverflow survey Windows has been losing developers for the past three years (though that's obviously not a new trend). So much that those stats say that there are about 2/3rds as many developers on OSX as were on Windows 7 (I don't know when 10 came out, but it's not represented).

IME if you're on a Mac at your day-job you on-average have a lot more freedom in which tools you're using, and you're a lot more likely to spend your own money on them.

All that just to say: I'd be very surprised if releasing for OSX first wasn't the best financial move for them.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jjn2009 »

This is quality software. I've been using the built in osx 'notes' for note taking for a while now and this is much better for my purposes. One thing I would like is to be able to run code snippets with a click of a button, I cannot seem to find that feature.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jalfresi »

jalfresi wrote: post #159

What with the recent issues with Evernote, which I use heavily and the wonderful data format, I just bought this and am going to write a small program to export all my evernotes into it. Excellent stuff!

Just as a heads up for those migrating from Evernote - Quiver imports evernote .enex files out of the box! Yay!

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by st3v3r »

npizzolato wrote: post #176
jason_slack wrote: post #133

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I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform It is slightly unfair to complain about what platforms a developer chooses to publish his/her work on. Perhaps they have been a long term Apple user? Perhaps they don't know anything about Windows development. Windows may be the largest, but there are so many good apps and developers making a living off the…

> This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter". I don't think the parent meant a "non-starter" in general. This app seems really awesome, but I primarily develop on Windows, so it's a non-starter for me , which is really too bad. I was really excited looking through the page until I noticed it was only on OS X. That and I'd prefer my electronic notebook to be available on my phone as well, so that's another rea…

No, they said "non-starter". Not non-starter for them, just non-starter.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by cogwheel »

jsutton wrote: post #145
cogwheel wrote: post #6

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There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

"Monocultures" develop because people don't want a fragmented and confusing workflow. One might use a Macbook because more useful tools are on OSX, and in turn might create more tools for OSX, enticing similar users to use OSX, and so on. You don't have to be active on Github; maybe you can be active on Bitbucket, but you won't get a fraction of the eyes or feedback as you would on Github.

So you're defending monocultures as virtuous? OK then. Don't feel like arguing that point...

But you're also ignoring the massive amounts of money and legal effort made by, e.g. Apple, in order to guarantee that such a monoculture develops. You have to willfully ignore things (like their choice to make non-Apple text messages green instead of blue) in order to claim that it came about organically. There is a concerted effort to create an us vs. them mentality, which always sucks for "them."

Obv. the same isn't true for GitHub., but I don't want to argue the (de)merits of monocultures in general. I take for granted in this thread that they're a bad thing.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by cogwheel »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #51
cogwheel wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

I thought you were being overly negative but perhaps had a point about HN. But this is all over the guy's sales pitch on his product page? You're reading way too much into it. It's one thing to complain about a monoculture in a community but another thing entirely to expect a product page to laden itself with anything except for pitching a product as best it can.

Oh I see. The title of this post didn't say "for OSX" originally.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by st3v3r »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #45
jsjohnst wrote: post #25

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Can you explain why? Curious as this differs from most people I've seen.

For me: If I have a copy of the software I have it forever. With the app store I only have it as long as Apple permits. Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it. If for some reason they remove it from the store I have to hope the developers make it available outside that channel. It's certainly happened with iOS apps. I'm open to being proven wrong though.

"Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it."

I fail to see how this isn't a problem for stuff sold outside the App Store as well.

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