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Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jballanc »

Fuxy wrote: post #100
seagreen wrote: post #89

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. Here's Quiver's: https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Quiver-Data-Format It's . . . really good. Like, _really_ good. I particularly like that they keep the metadata and the content of the note separate. This is the same thing Camlistore does, and it's nice for version control b…

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

Based on the fact that they are using ACE to edit code cells and MathJax to render Latex, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a large chunk of the app is written using web technologies, and porting to Windows/Linux should be relatively straight-forward.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by nickpeterson »

bubblicious wrote: post #178
panamafrank wrote: post #174

That's nice but costs $$. I have a markdown file in a private git repo for each month, I append a new header with the date at the start of each day and use it as a notepad, dumping whatever comes to mind. Most importantly I don't go back and revise what I've written.

As a software engineer, I'm always baffled by this reaction... It's $10, less than what I just paid for lunch. Have we completely lost the value of good software?

My wife complains when I buy a $2 app, yet we spend that on a coke from a machine without a second thought.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jason_slack »

npizzolato wrote: post #176
jason_slack wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform It is slightly unfair to complain about what platforms a developer chooses to publish his/her work on. Perhaps they have been a long term Apple user? Perhaps they don't know anything about Windows development. Windows may be the largest, but there are so many good apps and developers making a living off the…

> This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter". I don't think the parent meant a "non-starter" in general. This app seems really awesome, but I primarily develop on Windows, so it's a non-starter for me , which is really too bad. I was really excited looking through the page until I noticed it was only on OS X. That and I'd prefer my electronic notebook to be available on my phone as well, so that's another rea…

I understand what you are saying. I re-read the parent post and it sure does seem that is exactly what the post says.

There are so many platforms available. I don't think apps would ever get released (or companies started) if for people to adopt them they had to be out for every desktop and mobile platform. That is unreasonable. Get something out there and iterate on it.

I prefer not to use my phone and tablet for stuff like this. It forces me to pay attention to it more than I wold like because I am carrying the device. I force myself to take breaks from work by not having work stuff on my phone. If one of my co-workers really wants me, they have my phone number.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

mintplant wrote: post #139
coldtea wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, unless you just want to install Aperture to export stuff out, that's for the best. Aperture has been EOLed -- it's not advisable to install it even if you could, as you'd be installing deprecated software that can stop working at any future OS update. That wouldn't be much different than any software company not allowing you to download their old program anymore.

It should be up to the buyer whether or not they choose to take that risk, not to the seller to paternalistically make that decision for them.

Errr, isn't traditionally the seller that decides, if, when and for how long they want to sell their wares?

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by elliotec »

pault wrote: post #163
elliotec wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I use markdown files in Dropbox with vim and some snazzy plugins. It's very effective for me.

What plugins? I use the same setup but with vanilla vim.

Plugin 'godlygeek/tabular'

Plugin 'plasticboy/vim-markdown'

Plugin 'suan/vim-instant-markdown'

Plugin 'junegunn/goyo.vim'

Plugin 'amix/vim-zenroom2'

Plugin 'junegunn/limelight.vim'

I also have quite a bit of prose-related stuff that I tend to conflate, but these are the main ones.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by cturner »

sergiotapia wrote: post #64
yazriel wrote: post #54

Why oh why do people still write standard GUI applications in non-portable platform ?! Its a mystery to me

You either make it look beautiful in one place, or make it look like ass in three places. Or, option C: You use Electron, like Slack.

Another option - you can do everything in a terminal. Not everyone finds minimalism beautiful, but - if you do.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by oxryly1 »

paozac wrote: post #84
brazzledazzle wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me: If I have a copy of the software I have it forever. With the app store I only have it as long as Apple permits. Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it. If for some reason they remove it from the store I have to hope the developers make it available outside that channel. It's certainly happened with iOS apps. I'm open to being proven wrong though.

True! A few months ago I wanted to install Aperture on a new laptop; since it's been pulled from the App store I couldn't find it anymore, and this is what customer support told me: I've reviewed your request, but as much I would like to restore the item for you, I won't be able to download "Aperture" to your account because the amount of time that has passed since this purchase was made prohibits us from restoring i…

It's this kind of stuff that has me boggled that they charge the same prices for apps in the store vs. apps on media or downloaded directly. Tha app store version is more conventient, maybe, but fundamentally less featured. I'm essentially buying just a license, not the app itself.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by yardie »

bubblicious wrote: post #178
panamafrank wrote: post #174

That's nice but costs $$. I have a markdown file in a private git repo for each month, I append a new header with the date at the start of each day and use it as a notepad, dumping whatever comes to mind. Most importantly I don't go back and revise what I've written.

As a software engineer, I'm always baffled by this reaction... It's $10, less than what I just paid for lunch. Have we completely lost the value of good software?

We've lost the value of any digital goods. People will balk at paying $.99 for a song they will one forever but won't think 2 seconds about dropping a $1 into the hat of a busker on the subway.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by oxryly1 »

bubblicious wrote: post #178
panamafrank wrote: post #174

That's nice but costs $$. I have a markdown file in a private git repo for each month, I append a new header with the date at the start of each day and use it as a notepad, dumping whatever comes to mind. Most importantly I don't go back and revise what I've written.

As a software engineer, I'm always baffled by this reaction... It's $10, less than what I just paid for lunch. Have we completely lost the value of good software?

(Also a software engineer)

Yes, we've probably lost the value of good software a bit. The bigger issue is that I no longer judge the value of software based purely on a page (or app store description) advertising it. I need to try it out to see its value. So if the company is charging up front for the software, just about any amount seems too much.

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