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Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by fweespeech »

Fuxy wrote: post #100
seagreen wrote: post #89

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. Here's Quiver's: https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Quiver-Data-Format It's . . . really good. Like, _really_ good. I particularly like that they keep the metadata and the content of the note separate. This is the same thing Camlistore does, and it's nice for version control b…

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

That honestly isn't a small flaw if you are building a note/documentation application of any kind. The ability to share it is too valuable to use anything that can't be used on all platforms.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37

The tutorial notebook is full of individual notes with multiple 'cells'. When creating my own note, it's not immediately obvious how I achieve this. Hitting ENTER just creates a new paragraph/line within the same cell. I've discovered, through trial and error, that hitting SHIFT+ENTER creates a new cell, but this should maybe be more easily discoverable. Some of the UI elements are a bit out-of-place. I'm not sure if…

>When creating my own note, it's not immediately obvious how I achieve this. Hitting ENTER just creates a new paragraph/line within the same cell. I've discovered, through trial and error, that hitting SHIFT+ENTER creates a new cell, but this should maybe be more easily discoverable.

Well, from the menubar: Cell -> New Cell. Which also shows the shortcut next to the menu option.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by grimgrin »

elliotec wrote: post #94
grimgrin wrote: post #87

I still use vimwiki. It has a few warts, but since I'm comfortable with it (as in when you learn some of the leader commands, it becomes more powerful) and files are saved to Dropbox, it makes work and home note taking convenient. It's particularly nice in that if you are already in vim; ww will open the wiki index. https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki I've also been doing some note taking with :set filetype=journal in…

I have been unable to find an advantage that vimwiki or vim outliner have over just using vim with markdown in a Dropbox directory. Folding, numbering, etc work really well for me for that. What do you like about it in particular over what I could do with markdown?

There are definite advantages to just doing what you do. I like classic markdown syntax more. Things like #foo instead of = foo =.

But I particularly like some of the ways vimwiki functions.

I like that I can type project_notes and hit and it opens up a new project_notes.wiki, and then I can hit to go back to the previous wiki.

There are more normal mode keybindings that you might find yourself using. Sometimes I remove unwanted wikis by wd, which will delete the wiki you are currently viewing (it's nice in that you can see the content then quickly delete). Renaming, too.

Maybe I can sum it up to just say I prefer the navigation and handling of new/unwanted files with vimwiki?

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by coldtea »

paozac wrote: post #84
brazzledazzle wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me: If I have a copy of the software I have it forever. With the app store I only have it as long as Apple permits. Using an older version of OS X can create issues as well, if the developer decides not to support it. If for some reason they remove it from the store I have to hope the developers make it available outside that channel. It's certainly happened with iOS apps. I'm open to being proven wrong though.

True! A few months ago I wanted to install Aperture on a new laptop; since it's been pulled from the App store I couldn't find it anymore, and this is what customer support told me: I've reviewed your request, but as much I would like to restore the item for you, I won't be able to download "Aperture" to your account because the amount of time that has passed since this purchase was made prohibits us from restoring i…

Well, unless you just want to install Aperture to export stuff out, that's for the best.

Aperture has been EOLed -- it's not advisable to install it even if you could, as you'd be installing deprecated software that can stop working at any future OS update.

That wouldn't be much different than any software company not allowing you to download their old program anymore.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

coldtea wrote: post #102
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #37

The tutorial notebook is full of individual notes with multiple 'cells'. When creating my own note, it's not immediately obvious how I achieve this. Hitting ENTER just creates a new paragraph/line within the same cell. I've discovered, through trial and error, that hitting SHIFT+ENTER creates a new cell, but this should maybe be more easily discoverable. Some of the UI elements are a bit out-of-place. I'm not sure if…

> When creating my own note, it's not immediately obvious how I achieve this. Hitting ENTER just creates a new paragraph/line within the same cell. I've discovered, through trial and error, that hitting SHIFT+ENTER creates a new cell, but this should maybe be more easily discoverable. Well, from the menubar: Cell -> New Cell. Which also shows the shortcut next to the menu option.

OK, that's quite obvious, I guess!

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by moonlighter »

yazriel wrote: post #54

Why oh why do people still write standard GUI applications in non-portable platform ?! Its a mystery to me

There are benefits to having a pure, native app. Quiver starts literally instantaneously without any lag, partly because it's less than 5MB(!) in size. Here's a good read from the author: http://yaoganglian.com/2015/11/21/Quiver-3/

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by jason_slack »

Fuxy wrote: post #100
seagreen wrote: post #89

The more I read about different applications, the more I think you can't understand them unless you look at the underlying data format. Here's Quiver's: https://github.com/HappenApps/Quiver/wiki/Quiver-Data-Format It's . . . really good. Like, _really_ good. I particularly like that they keep the metadata and the content of the note separate. This is the same thing Camlistore does, and it's nice for version control b…

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

They make their data format public, so a Linux app could be built.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by Cyph0n »

tehwalrus wrote: post #76
yazriel wrote: post #54

Why oh why do people still write standard GUI applications in non-portable platform ?! Its a mystery to me

I was disappointed to see it was OS X only, but having written several GUIs (single and cross platform), I understand the trade off they made. It really is one-platform or web, and web is not for everyone (least of all programmers writing notes about their code at work.)

That's my experience as well. Electron/NW.js is the best option, but 1) it's like designing a website, which can get annoying at times, and 2) the file size :(

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Post by volaski »

chrisseaton wrote: post #39
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I've downloaded the trial, and if I like what I see (and, of course, the price is right) I'll buy a copy, but only if I can buy one directly from you, not via the App store. The App store has many technical limitations, and it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright.

> it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright Isn't almost all software licensed rather than ownership sold? This isn't unique to the App Store.

As far as I know, Apple can decide to shut down any app on their appstore if they wanted. Refer to the flux incident.
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