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Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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What's your point? That it's not available for Windows or Linux? The developer behind Quiver is a one-man shop and happens to be an iOS, OS X and web developer. So what?

There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

ReSharper and Visual Studio should be OS X compatible, it's not like every developer is using Windows. Such a monoculture.

See? It goes both ways (which, from your edit, I know you understand, but it's work a specific example). This guy's labor of love is a well crafted, thoughtful application for programmers using OS X. There is zero controversy there. Same with any other OS X-only application that Windows or (Li|U)nix users want.

When we beg for cross-platform apps from developers who don't understand all those platforms, we end up with web-browser-as-platform Electron-based apps that bundle a browser to render their UI layer. Sometimes that's done well (Visual Studio Code is quite nice) - often it's just okay bordering on slow. In fact, it's so rare that high-speed apps are available in some native form for multiple people platforms, I consider it a special gift to use one (Sublime Text comes to mind).

Let's not stifle the creativity and drive that small or single-person developer shops have by suggesting - even passively - that we are entitled to three OS-specific builds of anything they write.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

#32
post #4

The Apple monoculture is strong with this one. When will trendy developer startups realize other environments exist besides iOSX?

I agree. This thread is a party for Apple fans to massage their egos.

For Windows/Linux there are plenty of better alternatives: tiddlywiki, OneNote, etc.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

#33
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a trend among certain groups of developers to act as if their preferred environment is the only one that exists. Calling this "The Programmer's Notebook" makes it seem like a broadly applicable tool for programmers in general, when it's actually fairly exclusive and specific. There's nothing particularly egregious about this example, but it's part of a larger pattern that is aggravating for any non-…

Simple solution: Make your own tool for your own preferred platform.

I didn't have to: I have emacs, and thousands of people made it for me.

I do, of course, customise it for myself.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

#35

I really enjoyed starting this up out of the box. I love that I can export and that I can write in latex. I'm curious if I can set this up as a notebook for scientific simulations including plots etc.

Me too. The simplicity seems very refreshing. I've been keeping all of my main notes as separate Markdown documents for a long time. This will be a big help.

I've been looking for an Evernote replacement that was more ahem concise. I've been using Evernote to help plan experiments and track papers, but it can't seem to get out of it's way... particularly when trying to share a notebook with collaborators. Honestly, the biggest downside that I see with Quiver is that it is Mac only. This isn't an issue for me, but might be for some collaborators.

Then again, the alternative would be to use some other tool or shared Google Doc or something like that, so Quiver probably isn't too much of a hassle in that regard.

You should be able to script writing new data to a note for simulations / plots, given that the notes are JSON files. I love that the DB is an easy to read / edit / backup set of JSON files.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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The tutorial notebook is full of individual notes with multiple 'cells'. When creating my own note, it's not immediately obvious how I achieve this. Hitting ENTER just creates a new paragraph/line within the same cell. I've discovered, through trial and error, that hitting SHIFT+ENTER creates a new cell, but this should maybe be more easily discoverable.

Some of the UI elements are a bit out-of-place. I'm not sure if it's just because they're not native controls; I'm still running on Mavericks and it's quite possible these are El Capitan-style controls. Still, it's a tiny bit disconcerting.

On a more positive note, I think this is a wonderful concept which can potentially inform future tools for 'code management' (for want of a better term). I think there are plenty of ways in which the integration of code and other content can improve our discipline, so any work in this area is very interesting.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

#38
post #10

Been using this for a few weeks, and it is great! I'm sure that, compared to Evernote, it misses features that are important to some, but it adds a few of its own and is so much faster to use it's in another league entirely. Looking forward to the upcoming iOS version. The one feature I miss the most, besides that, is something like Evernote's menu bar app, for quick entry/scratchpad.

Can you talk about some of the pros and cons you've found compared to EverNote?

I use EverNote a lot, and have dozens of quick programming notes. The MarkDown syntax support here is very nice, but I don't think that alone is going to be enough to make me switch.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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Can you explain why? Curious as this differs from most people I've seen.

I agree. I've downloaded the trial, and if I like what I see (and, of course, the price is right) I'll buy a copy, but only if I can buy one directly from you, not via the App store. The App store has many technical limitations, and it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright.

> it also means the consumer is effectively just licensing software from Apple rather than owning it outright

Isn't almost all software licensed rather than ownership sold? This isn't unique to the App Store.

Re: Quiver: Programmer's Notebook for OS X

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post #10

Been using this for a few weeks, and it is great! I'm sure that, compared to Evernote, it misses features that are important to some, but it adds a few of its own and is so much faster to use it's in another league entirely. Looking forward to the upcoming iOS version. The one feature I miss the most, besides that, is something like Evernote's menu bar app, for quick entry/scratchpad.

I just looked in Quiver 3- if you open Quiver's preferences, the shortcuts pane has the option to assign a hotkey to open a quick entry.

this, of course, relies on you having it running already.

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