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Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by jacobolus »

JadeNB wrote: post #16
GeneralMaximus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking of Photoshop: I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. Needless to say, I have no respect for Adobe.

> I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. How do you run your Mac off a non-HFS filesystem? I thought Mac OS would only install on an HFS+-formatted drive. (Or maybe you just wanted to install Photoshop on a non-boot disk?)

You can make HFS+ case-sensitive. I don’t recommend it, as you’ll run into problems like the commenter above.

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by GeneralMaximus »

JadeNB wrote: post #16
GeneralMaximus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking of Photoshop: I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. Needless to say, I have no respect for Adobe.

> I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. How do you run your Mac off a non-HFS filesystem? I thought Mac OS would only install on an HFS+-formatted drive. (Or maybe you just wanted to install Photoshop on a non-boot disk?)

As jacobolus said, you can format HFS+ as case-sensitive when you install OS X. I do this because I need to compile code that assumes a case-sensitive FS (for example, the Haiku OS).

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

ericb wrote: post #3

I feel like the software Adobe puts out is extraordinarily bad and goes unrepaired. Do others have this impression too? I've never used Photoshop--is it better? When I was on Windows, I found the Acrobat plugin to be a hog and hated looking at pdf's. On a mac, without Adobe software involved, pdf's are pleasant. Almost nothing makes my Macbook's fan run except Flash. However, YouTube never seems to do this, so is it…

Every (most?) software companies has some good products. MS Excel is an example, maybe Adobe Photoshop is one of them.

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by amock »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #11
ericb wrote: post #3

I feel like the software Adobe puts out is extraordinarily bad and goes unrepaired. Do others have this impression too? I've never used Photoshop--is it better? When I was on Windows, I found the Acrobat plugin to be a hog and hated looking at pdf's. On a mac, without Adobe software involved, pdf's are pleasant. Almost nothing makes my Macbook's fan run except Flash. However, YouTube never seems to do this, so is it…

Talking of Photoshop: I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. Needless to say, I have no respect for Adobe.

Adobe isn't the only company that doesn't support case sensitive file systems on Mac OS. None of Blizzard's games will install, although some of them will run if you install them elsewhere and copy them over. Apple's developer tools used to have a bug that caused an assertion failure in the linker on case sensitive filesystems as well so that development with the latest version of Xcode was impossible.

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by JadeNB »

GeneralMaximus wrote: post #22
JadeNB wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I couldn't install Photoshop on my Mac because my file system is case sensitive. How do you run your Mac off a non-HFS filesystem? I thought Mac OS would only install on an HFS+-formatted drive. (Or maybe you just wanted to install Photoshop on a non-boot disk?)

As jacobolus said, you can format HFS+ as case-sensitive when you install OS X. I do this because I need to compile code that assumes a case-sensitive FS (for example, the Haiku OS).

Oh, that's interesting --it never occurred to me to do so (although I am sufficiently often bitten by the old `mv a A` pseudo-bug that I think I'll consider it). It's also an interesting reason to do so.

I understand why code might assume a case-sensitive FS, but am puzzled how it might make use of case-insensitivity. Do you know what happens with the Photoshop installer? Is it doing something silly like `touch a; cp A b`?

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by abstractbill »

ericb wrote: post #3

I feel like the software Adobe puts out is extraordinarily bad and goes unrepaired. Do others have this impression too? I've never used Photoshop--is it better? When I was on Windows, I found the Acrobat plugin to be a hog and hated looking at pdf's. On a mac, without Adobe software involved, pdf's are pleasant. Almost nothing makes my Macbook's fan run except Flash. However, YouTube never seems to do this, so is it…

It's a bit of both of course, but I'd say mostly the latter.

As you point out, Youtube can make Flash apps that don't kill your cpu, and so can I and many other people. But there's a ton of developers out there for whom Flash is just too flexible.

There's been a big backlash recently against Flash, mostly I feel by people who have never actually done any Flash work. Having done plenty of it myself, here's my opinion - for what it's worth: If we ever manage to get rid of Flash, it will be because browsers finally catch up and do all of the things that Flash does, with the same amount of flexibility. That will be good, because the standards and most of the implementations will be open. But it won't fix the problem of spinning fans. The same bad developers who are currently making your fans spin with Flash will just move on and do the exact same things in javascript.

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by GeneralMaximus »

JadeNB wrote: post #25
GeneralMaximus wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As jacobolus said, you can format HFS+ as case-sensitive when you install OS X. I do this because I need to compile code that assumes a case-sensitive FS (for example, the Haiku OS).

Oh, that's interesting --it never occurred to me to do so (although I am sufficiently often bitten by the old `mv a A` pseudo-bug that I think I'll consider it). It's also an interesting reason to do so. I understand why code might assume a case-sensitive FS, but am puzzled how it might make use of case- in sensitivity. Do you know what happens with the Photoshop installer? Is it doing something silly like `touch a;…

I read an account of how a guy managed to move his Photoshop installation from a case-insensitive FS to a case-sensitive one. It mostly involved just renaming files, so I don't see why Adobe can't spend a few moments fixing their files.

Link: http://imaginationunbound.blogspot.com/2007/12/adobe-photosh...

Re: Maemo Firefox disables Flash

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Post by asmosoinio »

ericb wrote: post #3

I feel like the software Adobe puts out is extraordinarily bad and goes unrepaired. Do others have this impression too? I've never used Photoshop--is it better? When I was on Windows, I found the Acrobat plugin to be a hog and hated looking at pdf's. On a mac, without Adobe software involved, pdf's are pleasant. Almost nothing makes my Macbook's fan run except Flash. However, YouTube never seems to do this, so is it…

I've also been a great hater of Acrobat Reader on my Vista machine, and used to use some alternatives like Sumatra. But lately I've not noticed that it seem to work nicely, so either some upgrade has significantly improved its speed or my brain has adjusted to it. Could be both.

I found Sumatra PDF was viewing quite a lot of things (transparent images and similar) totally wrong, which made me go back to Actobat in the first place.

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