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Currency War: U.S. Hedge Funds Mount New Attacks on China's Yuan

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China's economic growth simply isn't sustainable, and that's even if it was true growth. There isn't a top economist alive who believes China's self-reported GDP numbers aren't fudged in one way or another (source: http://www.businessinsider.com/economist-reactions-to-chinas...). Either one of those situations (an economic slowdown, China fudging the numbers, or the more likely situation: a combination of both) makes hedging against the Yuan a pretty solid bet.

People and foolish investors think, "Well, China has more than a billion people so it will eventually have a robust and rich economy!" Only, it doesn't work like that (cue the "That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works" lady). Population size is only a tiny facet of a much larger picture. And it's not even a particularly important one, relatively speaking. There are some economists who are now starting to think that having a massive population size may have the opposite effect; it helps you reach a certain point but then your massive size begins to act as an anchor which keeps you from growing further.

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Will this be a replay of Soros "Breaking the Bank of England"? http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/when-soros-decided-to...

They're trying to do the same time thing as Soros did, yes. But even after its recent $300 billion spending spree to defend the yuan, China still has trillions in foreign currency reserves left, orders of magnitude more than the BoE ever did. And they have a cultural imperative against "giving in" to Western capitalist pigs. I really don't think these guys have thought their plan through.

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Will this be a replay of Soros "Breaking the Bank of England"? http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/when-soros-decided-to...

China's already warned Soros just a few days ago not to short the renminbi. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ebabbebe-c40d-11e5-993a-d18bf68267...

Edit - didn't see that the original WSJ article includes quotes by Soros mentioning his short, and also mentioned China's general warnings against shorts. Though the FT article I linked focuses specifically on Soros, and talks a bit about his history too.

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Isn't everyone and their dog trying to devalue their currency these days to boost exports? What's the problem with weak yuan? Sure, iPhones will get even more expensive to buy in China (rather funny since they are made there) but other than that it should be a boon to exports, no?

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Isn't everyone and their dog trying to devalue their currency these days to boost exports? What's the problem with weak yuan? Sure, iPhones will get even more expensive to buy in China (rather funny since they are made there) but other than that it should be a boon to exports, no?

The main problem is a devalued currency stokes inflation, so consumer costs go up (so do producer costs, but that's offset by better export earnings).

China is in the middle of a shift from an export-driven economy to a consumption-driven economy, part of the normal development arc of major economies. But increasing export profits at the expense of households pushes that balance in the wrong direction.

For more (much more!) detail on this, I highly suggest the blog 'China Financial Times' by Peking University professor Michael Pettis: mpettis.com.

But generally, yes: the world has a savings glut, and devaluing your currency helps export your domestic weakness (some economists call devaluation 'exporting your unemployment'). China is in a rather unique situation though.

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Will this be a replay of Soros "Breaking the Bank of England"? http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/when-soros-decided-to...

They're trying to do the same time thing as Soros did, yes. But even after its recent $300 billion spending spree to defend the yuan, China still has trillions in foreign currency reserves left, orders of magnitude more than the BoE ever did. And they have a cultural imperative against "giving in" to Western capitalist pigs. I really don't think these guys have thought their plan through.

Exactly this. China also likes shows of strength, and would be more than happy to expend large amounts of cash to bankrupt the people trying this, rather than lose face being broken by them.

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Will this be a replay of Soros "Breaking the Bank of England"? http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/when-soros-decided-to...

China's already warned Soros just a few days ago not to short the renminbi. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ebabbebe-c40d-11e5-993a-d18bf68267... Edit - didn't see that the original WSJ article includes quotes by Soros mentioning his short, and also mentioned China's general warnings against shorts. Though the FT article I linked focuses specifically on Soros, and talks a bit about his history too.

That's behind some weird interstitial, so here's a cached version: http://archive.is/xoix6
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