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Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by josteink »

random_rr wrote: post #102
josteink wrote: post #92

If you put something, anything on the public web, you have no excuse for it not working in all modern, standards compliant browsers. I mean... would you be happy to rate yourself a IE6-level dev? Because that's where a performance like this puts you. I would consider it pretty embarrassing.

Chill out. Sometimes you will have to be flexible with your browser on the internet. Your comment is more embarassing than their free online demo of an offline product.

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Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by kbenson »

Part of me really wants to hand this to the users I program an internal webapp for and let them spec the basic layout of the the pages, another part of me knows that is a no good, very bad, horrible idea. :/

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by RobbyMcCullough »

Schrum wrote: post #97
RobbyMcCullough wrote: post #85

Wow this is gorgeous! Nice work. I have a product in a similar space, Beaver Builder ( https://www.wpbeaverbuilder.com ). A few differences being that it's an in-browser tool and it's a WordPress plugin. Who is your target customer? Are you hoping to improve workflows for frontend developers or enable non-developers to build web pages? Also, what are your thoughts on maintaining a Bootstrap Studio site? FWIW, we hit…

Sorry to go off topic, but i've been interested in your product for a couple of weeks. I recently created a site for young people interested in horses. I built it with a theme called KLEO that included Visual Composer. VC is having insane load times, partially because of admin-ajax.php. Does BeaverBuilder also make use of admin-ajax.php? Visual Composer is clearly too heavy and unoptimised for us, so i'd be more than…

You've heard of us!? No kidding!? That's awesome to hear. :)

We use a lot of ajax when the actual page builder is in use, but we do our best to ensure that page load times for published pages are low as possible.

Outputting lean and efficient auto-generated markup (relative to what was out there) was one of our big goals from the start.

We have a free version of the software in the WordPress repo: https://wordpress.org/plugins/beaver-builder-lite-version/

You can demo the tool, peek at the markup, and see how it well it plays with your WP theme/install with the free version.

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by teleclimber »

bpatrianakos wrote: post #105
teleclimber wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a whole spectrum of people who work "on the web" in some form or another: hard-core developers, front-end coders, designers, small business owners, content creators, etc... So any tool from Squarespace to BootstrapStudio to Emacs is potentially useful to a subset of the market.

But this is specifically marketed toward developers and designers. So my question is are there really enough of those developers and designers interested in a WYSIWYG took or would it be better to drop the Bootstrap focus and focus on the small business owners and content creators?

> But this is specifically marketed toward developers and designers.

"Developers and designers" encompasses quite a range of skills. Many designers don't know how to code or don't want to deal with it, or would rather do it in a visual editor rather than in a text editor.

On the other side, there are developers who aren't proficient in modern HTML, CSS, web technologies, and the obnoxious-to-set-up modern web tool chain. A GUI like this could be a handy way of bypassing some of these problems so they can get that website built quickly without it looking like it belongs on the 1990s web. (I admit this case is more rare.)

> would it be better to drop the Bootstrap focus and focus on the small business owners and content creators?

I agree with you there, and that's actually what I'm working on. In my application the web developer/designer can create custom "components" with HTML and CSS and some rules on how these components can fit together, and the site owner / small business person / content creator can manipulate their site in a completely visual, drag-and-drop, edit-in-place environment. There are no mandatory tie-ins with any frameworks or libraries, and the system doesn't alter your markup or insert additional junk. Any valid HTML and CSS the developer puts in will work and will come out essentially as entered.

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by PhilWright »

Great job, it looks really useful and something I would be interested in using in the future. Some feedback...

1 - The webpage could make it more obvious that the paid for version is a NodeJS based application. It took me a little time to work this out because I read the start of the page and immediately went to the online demo.

2 - Provide an option to choose between Bootstrap 3 and 4, even when 4 is fully released there will still be people stuck on 3 for quite some time. The ability to create/edit projects with either will help you a lot.

3 - Raise you price to at least $99. Any professional freelancer or design company will not think twice about this price point and can see it saves a lot more than this in time on just the first project. I think you should be aiming at professionals and not hobbyists. Odd though it sounds, the less people pay the more they complain about a product and the more demanding the support they ask for. Trust me, you could offer this for $10 and someone will still complain that your 100's of hours of hard work is worth only $5.

4 - Always specify a time limit of a special offer. This creates a sense of urgency and is the reason that offers work. Mention on your site when the offer expires, otherwise people don't know and so they will wait. Then they will miss the deadline and are either upset decide not to buy because they wanted the cheaper price.

5 - If you have a roadmap of additions then mention some of the changes to be released in the next year. This shows it is being actively developed and some of the new features might be the ones people are waiting for before buying.

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by yelnatz »

chrisbennet wrote: post #40
yelnatz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was actually hyped a little bit until I saw your comment. Forgot about the price. $50 for 1 year free updates and only 3 installs is a little bit steep.

How much would you charge - if you made it?

Same $50 but lifetime updates and no limited installs.

Charge me again for Bootstrap studio 3 or something but don't end updates for 2 after 1 year.

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by detaro »

josteink wrote: post #92

If you put something, anything on the public web, you have no excuse for it not working in all modern, standards compliant browsers. I mean... would you be happy to rate yourself a IE6-level dev? Because that's where a performance like this puts you. I would consider it pretty embarrassing.

So it would be better if they didn't have an online demo, but forced you to download it?

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by hex13 »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #45
milankragujevic wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to be honest, it might be. I myself would never pay so much for software because I have better things to pay, like electricity, water, internet, etc. I'm not saying you should not pay for software, but poor people, even more poor under-18 developers, don't really have the conditions to pay for such things.

Sure, I think the OP was talking about people who earn the price of this tool in an hour or two, not people who aren't even working. Software pricing is a very strange beast. It seems to vary so widely, with not always a very obvious price/quality connection. And over time, it doesn't seem to follow any reasonable expectation; I paid £65 for a game 25 years ago, which would be over £90 in today's money.

Uhm... Usually I'm buying games on steam for 5-15 euros. There is a lot cheap special offers...

Re: Introducing Bootstrap Studio

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Post by dang »

josteink wrote: post #92

If you put something, anything on the public web, you have no excuse for it not working in all modern, standards compliant browsers. I mean... would you be happy to rate yourself a IE6-level dev? Because that's where a performance like this puts you. I would consider it pretty embarrassing.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11006266 and marked it off-topic.
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