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Re: Making 20% Time Work

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post #35

Googler please chime in, but as far as I read it's been dead for years. http://qz.com/115831/googles-20-time-which-brought-you-gmail...

20% at Google is a big joke: it's basically picking up low priority tasks and bugs from other teams backlogs (low priority = will never do).

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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I've never met anyone who has this luxury, quick poll: Do you have 20% time?

I have 5% time. Two hours a week. To work on a project of the company's choosing. They're really proud of that.

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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post #21

I don't get it... They give you 20℅ 'off' to do stuff they need?! Either they want me to solve their problems and plan this with me to do it like normal work, which IT IS or they want me to do my own thing and don't bother me if they can't use this...... Sounds like all this crap loke pingpong, Snacks and billiard tables to me :D

I had loads of things I wanted to work on at my last job (only been at the new one a little bit, so not so much yet :p) that just would never be a priority or were too far from my teams normal stuff.

Unfortunately we didn't have 20% time. It's one of those perks that actually sounds great to me (free food, meh).

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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post #34

There are IT departments inside of non-IT companies that would love to have this sort of luxury. But with department heads that would have their heads explode if you try to explain this to them. sigh

Good managers will give employees the latitude to do this sort of thing, formally or not.

Fetishism of metrics and ITSM bullshit makes it harder to do these days, but it's still worth it for morale alone.

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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We have successfully pulled off 20% for 5+ years now at Kiva, doing some of the things suggested here. However, the key thing we do is actually make the 20% be a full two-week sprint, it just happens every 5th sprint. That way, you can have the time to do some planning, suggesting, and documentation before setting out to build something and you get the full amount of time you needed to build it. We purposefully do tr…

If a developer places an idea up requiring only 4 points, can they pin their own 4 points to it and work on it alone without having to answer to anyone?

The entire point of the 20% concept to me is that I get to work on my own idea. I do not like your version that makes it a popularity contest between developers and their separate ideas. Most of the fun that can be found in 20% is the lack of constraints and oversight. The 20% should not have to be justified to anyone, let alone planned out and required to fit within a single sprint.

To be fair, I despise agile (or is it capitalized Agile?) in all its bullshit incarnations. The most interesting aspect of a 20% project is that the business keeps its filthy hands out of my time. Applying agile into the 20% makes me sick.

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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We have successfully pulled off 20% for 5+ years now at Kiva, doing some of the things suggested here. However, the key thing we do is actually make the 20% be a full two-week sprint, it just happens every 5th sprint. That way, you can have the time to do some planning, suggesting, and documentation before setting out to build something and you get the full amount of time you needed to build it. We purposefully do tr…

If a developer places an idea up requiring only 4 points, can they pin their own 4 points to it and work on it alone without having to answer to anyone? The entire point of the 20% concept to me is that I get to work on my own idea . I do not like your version that makes it a popularity contest between developers and their separate ideas. Most of the fun that can be found in 20% is the lack of constraints and oversig…

Approach to instituting 20% projects is going to vary wildly from company to company.

After thinking about it, the method proposed makes sense for structured companies trying to introduce the concept.

Unfortunately, I still think it's non-ideal, but it is a good start.

Re: Making 20% Time Work

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post #35

Googler please chime in, but as far as I read it's been dead for years. http://qz.com/115831/googles-20-time-which-brought-you-gmail...

Not a googler, but I'm related to one, and I'm told that it's dependent on your ability to set boundaries for yourself. Nobody should dock you for saying "hey, I'm working on my 20% time now". If 20% time is dying, it may be partly that there are some bad managers who will dock you for it, and it may also be partly that programmers would like it but don't feel empowered to use it (for political/personal/personality reasons).
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