Money is a huge incentive especially early in your career. It will absolutely be a once in a life time experience, that said it may be your last experience in this lifetime. You enjoy your job now and are only 4 months in. Do not discount the value of local experience relative to foreign experience. Later in your career taking experience abroad may be an asset depending on your role, but early on local experience and…
Heh, that article was written about me by my friend Jon! It's not really very realistic for 2010 working for a big contractor, in 2005 things were in flux and I ran my own tiny company.
Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
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Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#42It's clear that if the sunnis and the shiites can't share power politically, that the levels of violence are likely to escalate. If they can, they'll likely stay level or trend downward.
That said, if you're seriously considering it, I'd read some of the numerous accounts from journalists and other non-combat professionals who have spent time over there.
If after recognizing the possibility of changes in the security situation, the dangers associated with working in Iraq (both physical and mental) you still want to go.... go ahead.
But personally, I wouldn't even consider it. Making money isn't really that hard, and there are countless interesting experiences I can have that don't involve substantial risk of trauma.
That said, everybody's money threshold is different, and it's a lot easier to say no to $200k as somebody who already lives comfortably and has a family to take care of, than it would be to say it as somebody who isn't yet financially comfortable, and whose passing would affect only parents, not wives/children.
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#431) Afghanistan can still be dangerous. The risk for a trigger puller/door kicker is very high, but for an IT contractor it's about the same as riding a motorcycle 50-100mi/day in Seattle.
2) Iraq is actually safer (on base, for IT contractors) than living in a lot of big but not especially nice cities. The biggest risk is honestly chronic health conditions (like a heart attack) or people having emotional/relationship/etc. issues and self-inflicted injury.
3) Kuwait is INSANE. Specifically, driving off-base is insane. I drive about 2-3h/day between US bases, and see one obviously-fatal motor vehicle accident on the highways every day. The only time in my life I've ever done CPR and treated arterial bleeding (I'm an IT guy, not a doctor!) was responding to a Kuwaiti on Kuwaiti vehicle accident a couple years ago. I'd say the risk is about the same as riding 50-100 miles/day on a motorcycle, drunk, in a not-especially-motorcycle-friendly city.
4) Qatar is like Kuwait only safer.
5) Bahrain is safer than Kuwait and fun, except on Thursday/Friday when lots of drunk Saudi weekend guys show up, turning it into Kuwait-level danger.
There are lots of reasons to do or not do this, but safety is basically not an issue (except if you're driving between bases in Kuwait, which people don't really do)
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#44Shan't tell you what to do mate, but after seeing a family member go out there and get his leg blown off, I highly suggest you to avoid this kind of environment. Keep your mind focussed on what you are doing, and not avoiding bullets, incoming shells, kidnapping, etc.
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#45Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#46Where can I find a job like that?
ITT General Dynamics Dyncorp KBR/Halliburton L-3 General Atomics CACI
Basically, if you want to be doing something decent, make sure you can get at least secret (not a felon, a US citizen), be vaguely professional and competent (certs are a plus, like CISA/CISSP/CCDP), and familiar with the technologies they want (it's a big crappy AD/MS network, but there's also a lot of IP stuff).
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#47As long as it'd be safe, I'd go for it without hesitation. New place, fun work, big accomplishment, lots of money and free time? I'm not sure what down side you see, but it would need to be huge to turn this down.
my mind says yes, but my body says stay the fuck away, I dont wanna die. So the question still remains and I definitely am looking for advice.
There were 149 American deaths in Iraq last year, but I think that might mean just soldiers. So about one out of every thousand soldiers. http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/index.aspx
Also, there were 676 wounded, or about 4 out of every thousand. So 0.5% of the total force was killed or wounded. You could dig around for more exact numbers, but 1 out of 200 is a good first approximation for the injury/death rate of American forces in Iraq.
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#48Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#49I'm just a clueless civvie, but it seems to me that the insurgency in Iraq is becoming more indiscriminate and that the risks to all westerners there are largely similar, regardless of what they are there to do. IEDs and mortars don't distinguish between military and civilian targets. The kidnapper actively seek out civilians.
Other posters with far more relevant experience than I seem to think that you won't really have any contact with the locals and spend most of your time doing grunt work, so it doesn't seem to me like there are many intangible benefits beyond being able to say that you've worked in a warzone. If you want a great cultural experience, surely you'd be better off going to places where you don't have to travel in a convoy of armoured cars? Travel is tremendously cheap at the moment and there are plenty of opportunities to work your way around, especially as a young, educated American - half the world is willing to offer you a Working Holiday visa. If you don't fancy teaching English, tending a bar or picking fruit, you could tote a laptop and freelance.
Think about longer-term earning potential. What would you learn in Iraq that would make you attractive to civilian employers? What opportunities would that entry on your CV open up? What would be the value of a year's experience as a junior developer at a bank, for instance?
If you're typical of the average HN reader, you could do far better. I can't begin to estimate the value created by the average startup founder in their first year, but I'm guessing that it's a hell of a lot more than $200k. It's never been cheaper to startup and never easier to reach ramen profitability. There's never been more angel money and never more VCs willing to make small, early-stage investments.
The opportunity you have strikes me as a boring, dangerous dead-end for not very much money. As a recent graduate, I'd be far more concerned about building up long-term equity than about making quick cash. I expect that your student debt must feel like a massive burden, but relative to your career earning potential it's chump change. Think long term, think about what you can build up for yourself.
Re: Ask HN: Would you go to Iraq for a year and be paid $200k?
#50Pretend the salary is the same in both places, and judge the decision just on the experience factor. (I say this because for a variety of reasons, you could make that much money in the States as a reasonably curious, skilled person. You read Hacker News after all :D You know all about salary ranges, entrepreneurship, affiliate programs, Parrot Books, and Adsense. I'm not saying we all make 200K, we just all know abou…
"Pretend the salary is the same in both places, and judge the decision just on the experience factor. I say this because for a variety of reasons, you could make that much money in the States as a reasonably curious, skilled person." 200K for one year in Iraq might actually be significantly more than 200K for one year in California, for instance, depending on cost of living. I can't imagine actually buying anything i…
That said, I don't change my main idea or advice: To remove the compensation as a reason to do this.
It's such a unique job (to put it mildly). And the fact that if one is undergoing extreme conditions either way, one can greatly increase their income with other strategies, I still think this should be a non-financial decision, and purely a lifestyle/values/learning/risk one.