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Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by deathhand »

lawpoop wrote: post #15
lumberjack wrote: post #9

Reddit is a great platform to disguise sponsored content as organic. If you are really good the users won't even notice. I wonder whether they have started monetizing that yet. There is clearly a lot of it on Reddit. It's just not clear whether it is with the help of Reddit or despite of them.

Can you describe this sponsored/organic content dichotomy? To get noticed, you have to have upvotes. If you have upvotes, that means that users appreciated the content. If, say, a company or person is promoting themselves and the community upvotes it, I don't see any problem with it. That's how it's supposed to work. But I don't think that's what you mean by 'disguise'. I would guess rather that you mean that some en…

If I then have a ring of people manipulating voting and nothing is done about it. Is it still organic? I can easily see the monetary incentive to such practices due to the traffic volumes. Heck I could even see it on HN. If I wanted my techy blog to be on the front page of HN I know I would land that dream job...

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by fourstar »

hire_charts wrote: post #22
fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

Is lifeprotips.com the site you were trying to promote? I see that the banners are really similar.

Correct.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by fourstar »

woah wrote: post #27
fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

I took a survey of what was lacking on the subreddit at the time and there were plenty of things that were suggested that I thought I could build/provide.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by kbenson »

woah wrote: post #27
fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

> And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

Why not? If he owned the rights to the image, it's use was contingent on his approval, absent any other agreement. The only reason it required a a legal notice is because they locked him out of the account he used that had rights to change it.

This is no different than offering to let the office use your ping pong table, then getting fired and having your building access revoked. If the business refused to return the ping pong table, which was in use contingent upon your and the businesses approval, they have essentially stolen your property. Feel free to substitute any other item item (such as fridge, chair, computer hardware or servers...) for the ping pong table in that example.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by untog »

ageek123 wrote: post #16
lumberjack wrote: post #9

Reddit is a great platform to disguise sponsored content as organic. If you are really good the users won't even notice. I wonder whether they have started monetizing that yet. There is clearly a lot of it on Reddit. It's just not clear whether it is with the help of Reddit or despite of them.

Isn't this basically what "native ads" are?

Native ads are usually signposted as such.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by mej10 »

woah wrote: post #27
fourstar wrote: post #18

Reddit is the worst. I created a sub that ended up becoming a default (/r/lifeprotips) and ended up getting banned when I tried to promote a site that I built (which was my original intention with the idea). They banned me because I had adsense on the site (funny because Imgur was/has been the golden child for reddit and they've had advertising for quite a while). I sent them a DMCA to remove the logo that I had comm…

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

> You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you?

What is wrong with that? As long as your aren't spamming or trying to ruin the experience for others, why the fuck should it matter that you post your site to a subreddit that would be interested?

Also, people do this literally all the time in subreddits. Like, ALL the time. Wonder what was different in this case.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by Zikes »

Karunamon wrote: post #24

Reddit's a neat idea, but I had to abandon it. Had just hit five years of daily participation on the site, too. If we look past all the controversy and all the other reasons most people point at the site as a negative, it boils down to one thing in my mind: Base cynicism. There's cynicism when someone else reposts something. There's cynicism over imaginary internet points. There's cynicism by, from, and to the modera…

One thing that I just can't wrap my head around is the "no participation" brigading rules. The site literally exists to share content for others to discover and discuss, but if you share anything remotely meta you get accused of brigading and are banned/shadowbanned.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by sliverstorm »

mej10 wrote: post #36
woah wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? And then you threatened legal action to get them to take down an image that you yourself posted?

> You tried to use their site to promote your site and they banned you? What is wrong with that? As long as your aren't spamming or trying to ruin the experience for others, why the fuck should it matter that you post your site to a subreddit that would be interested? Also, people do this literally all the time in subreddits. Like, ALL the time. Wonder what was different in this case.

As far as I know they try to deny self-promotion because it leads to a flood of people posting crappy content because it will make them money, rather than good content because it is good.

It's definitely sometimes difficult to enforce & sometimes poorly enforced.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by sliverstorm »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #10
6stringmerc wrote: post #4

While I can understand the sentiment that spam and abuse threaten our communities I can't help but think - based on outside observations - that some of the biggest threat to the Reddit communities are people within Reddit communities. Though admirable and well-meaning, it's a flawed model at the core, at least this is what I've come to believe. In the most recent flare-ups, the "call is coming from inside the house!"…

Ya know, I'm on reddit daily, and I NEVER see any of these flare-ups. I just kind of hang out on the nerdy subs I guess.

I've always heard the reddit experience is far superior in the low-key, non-default, not-too-popular subs.

Re: Reddit in 2016

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Post by kjanssen »

Karunamon wrote: post #24

Reddit's a neat idea, but I had to abandon it. Had just hit five years of daily participation on the site, too. If we look past all the controversy and all the other reasons most people point at the site as a negative, it boils down to one thing in my mind: Base cynicism. There's cynicism when someone else reposts something. There's cynicism over imaginary internet points. There's cynicism by, from, and to the modera…

It's still better than Facebook, which groups you together with the people you know in real life, whether you share common interests or not. At least on Reddit you can sequester yourself to topic-related subs and stay away from the defaults. I've learned many useful things from the smaller, more specific subs, which are somewhat shielded from the cynicism of the larger subs (although there are still asshats, it is the internet after all).
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