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post #231

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I think just about anywhere in the US would do. I've lived all over California in the last decade, and while the police out here aren't perfect, they are saints compared to the description of the Chicago PD in this thread.

LAPD and SFPD are under constant scandal, OaklandPD have been under federal control for years. You don't know what you're talking about wrt California police probably because you're white and wealthy.

"Constant scandal" with on par with Chicago PD? I don't think so...

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Yes. But it doesn't mean that, given a random sampling of 100 cops in relationships, you could expect ~40 of those to be currently abusive of their partners.

"Domestic violence occurs in about 40% of households with police officers"... I think that is what the above claim means.

difference between "it occurs in 40% of said households" and "40% of officers are the sole abusers".

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Police officers abuse their romantic partners at about twice the average rate. Domestic violence occurs in about 40% of households with police officers.

Note: those rates span a lifetime. It doesn't mean that every current relationship has a high rate of abuse.

Abusers in relationships tend to be abusers in all of their relationships.

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It sounds exactly like Russia to me. Same level or corruption and danger to regular citizens.

I've always found vast similarities between the USA and Russia but it seems to bring on deep offence if you mention it to an average American.

Probably because Chicago is not America.

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post #175

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I'm moving to Chicago in a few months. Are there certain neighborhoods that should be avoided on the basis of corrupt police activity? I wonder because I could see neighborhoods that are relatively safe in terms of civilian crime, but cops posted in that area might have nothing better to do than mess with its inhabitants.

Some of these posts here are a joke. Chicago is like any other major US city, probably better than the mid-tier cities I've spent time living in in terms of police and crime. It's simply very much two cities and you only hear news stories about one. Just like anywhere else, don't act like an idiot or seek out trouble in rough areas and 99% of your interactions with police will be fine. You're on HackerNews so presuma…

>Do the same acting like fools and giving attitude back? Yeah, you might be taught a lesson and spend the night in jail.

It's hilarious that you find this acceptable.

Unless I break the law and am arrested, there is no way in hell I should spend the night in jail to be "taught a lesson". My attitude or dress are completely irrelevant.

I mean, did you even read the article? No one cares about your positive, one-time personal experience with the police. Joke, indeed.

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post #195

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Agreed that last sentence wasn't helpful, but neither are the downvotes for him explaining exactly what the situation likely was. Maybe the OP is a great cyclist. Maybe he's not. It's immaterial. What is material is trying to provide some context into why that happened, if it did. Lets just say as a fellow Chicago resident I also immediately had the same suspicions that you were responding to. I used to commute daily…

>They are the most ... actively dangerous group of commuters I've witnessed. Do people commuting on bike in Chicago kill more people than commuting in cars?

You don't compare fractions by their numerators alone, do you?

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Though I agree that this behavior is reprehensible and probably criminal, the comments here seem to miss at least some of the human dynamic here. I can't hardly imagine that most people posting here would ever consider a job where literally every word or sound that came out of their mouth during their entire working life was recorded, and likely subject to public disclosure. Saying that this is what cops signed up fo…

I'm not certain cops signed up for indoctrination into a culture where it is acceptable to routinely prevaricate in official reports and testimony for the purposes of self-preservation, or even just personal convenience.

If the things you do and say could have drastic, life-changing repercussions for other people, you should have someone monitoring them. If you don't want to be watched all the time, the only acceptable alternative is to be unimpeachably trustworthy. On the strength of just a handful of reports where the objectively verifiable facts--such as bystander smartphone video footage--contradict the official police story, that option is sadly no longer available.

If your child made a habit of lying to you on a regular basis, would you or would you not supervise their behavior more closely? If the CPD were your child, it would have emptied your bottle of vodka, crashed your car into your spouse's car, killed the family dog in the process, and when questioned about what happened, it would have said, "Bad dog. You probably should have trained him not to drink and drive.... -hic-"

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post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of these posts here are a joke. Chicago is like any other major US city, probably better than the mid-tier cities I've spent time living in in terms of police and crime. It's simply very much two cities and you only hear news stories about one. Just like anywhere else, don't act like an idiot or seek out trouble in rough areas and 99% of your interactions with police will be fine. You're on HackerNews so presuma…

> don't act like an idiot or seek out trouble in rough areas and 99% of your interactions with police will be fine. This isn't the experience of many minorities and poor people.

I'm white and middle class and it's not my experience.

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I grew up in an Asian country where I have seen police corruption first hand more than once and I always wished my country had better educated and morally strong individuals who would protect the weaker sections of the society instead of siding with rich/powerful people even if they are criminals. I always wished like in the west police would enforce the law regardless of the status of that individual and that police…

Police in the US are very much not like police in other Anglo countries; they are much more adversarial.

Not to say the other police are perfect, but it seems much worse in the US. Example: I'm from Australia, and was recounting a story here on HN about how I don't like that subtle power play when police pull you over and talk down to you in the car. So I get out (I'm very tall) and wait for them in a friendly manner. It changes the tone of the traffic stop. Doesn't change the outcome, but it's hard for them to talk down to someone they have to physically look up to.

On relaying this story, multiple HN'ers from the US thought I was genuinely putting my life at risk of being shot by the police, and told me I should never ever do that. This is a genuinely foreign concept to me - that I should be fearful that police might be predisposed to shooting me for getting out of the car. That these folks even have that general fear speaks volumes as to the excessive force the US police use.

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post #74

Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

I like the list. It's easier than debating.

Between 15.5 and 40, pulled over for no apparent reason at least 20 times. I'm giving them the benefit of memory with the number. I was guilty of driving an older car, hair slightly below my ears, and the ultimate sin; driving after 10 p.m. Friday-Saturday.

Told to empty out my pockets because I was talking to a homlessness person.

At least three tickets, where I honestly didn't know what law I broke. I once kindly asked the officer to diagram what I did wrong. He did and even initialed it. Street wrong, wrong color car. He didn't show up n court. (Highway Patrol harldy ever shows up, and they are well coached. Local cops will always show up--there's not much to do in the burbs.)

Watch my dad get out of a DUI, because he as giving a get out of jail card. His buddy gave him his detective's business card, with some scribbling on back.

Done Coke at two different parties, and the supplier were both in law enforcement. Great Coke--I guess? (I was much younger, and honestly, really didn't even like the Coke effects. I think I was drinking too much at the party? I'm no angel.)

In college, I worked as a life guard. The lonely Sherriff would hang with us. He would leave a party if mariguana was in the air, but would get stinky drunk, and drive us around. When we got pulled over, he would Just pull out the Bagde. Yes--I went along. Never like the hypocracy of the dude.

Watched a Francisco cop drive my high school sister, and her model friend to the north side of the bridge, actually they escorted her. They allowed her to drive drunk. One then asked for her phone number. Yes--it's great they didn't ticket/arrest her, but only because she was young, and attractive.

Listen to my dad complain about his cop best friend who just played chess in the basement of the corner building. My dad thought they should be out cruising for the bad guys. I asked my father, "Wouldn't you rather them playing chess, over looking for cheezy tickets?" Father, "Well yes." (I see nothing wrong with doing nothing while on shift, especially in low crime areas. And I don't expect cops to risk their lives. Honestly.)

What has this thought me; buy two cheap dash cams from China. $15 a piece. Just don't drive certain nights. If you are going to go to the evil bar/hootenanny, buy a $19 breath analyzer at Costco.

I can't imagine what minorites have been through, as I am a white dude. Am I an angel--hell no. I guess I'm just unlucky? When I was younger, I honestly didn't think slightly longer hair, and a VW would equate with being harassed, but it did. Do I get harrrased as much now--no. I don't go out like I did, and I drive a car that's inconspicuous, with no bumper stickers. I once put a Police Officers Association sticker on my rear window; trying to invoke reverse psychology. Well it just bought in a red brick.

Do I see people being treated like they had no rights--hell yes, more than ever. The image of a women being forced to empty her purse because she was sitting on the sidewalk is my latest imprint. She was bum rushed by five cops, and a particularly eager female cop whom frisked her too agressively. They left her alone after finding nothing suspicious in her purse, but took her picture. Love to take those pictures?

Again I know they have a tough job, but don't make up tickets. Get to know the law--other than on the job. Oh yea, we all don't get roaring drunk when we go out? You might, but most of us don't. We are not, "Just like you on our days off?". As to the danger of the job; I do morn the death of an honest cop, but actually deaths are higher in construction/taxi cab drivers.

I guess what I'm trying to say is don't stereotype, and make up drama. I'm wondering if I'll live to see the day where I don't cringe when a cruiser is behind me? Done!

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