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Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

I'm moving to Chicago in a few months. Are there certain neighborhoods that should be avoided on the basis of corrupt police activity? I wonder because I could see neighborhoods that are relatively safe in terms of civilian crime, but cops posted in that area might have nothing better to do than mess with its inhabitants.

Lifelong Chicagoan here. I've never, ever had these issues and all my run-ins with cops have been fairly uneventful, if not pleasant. Chicago cops have better things to do than give traffic tickets usually and the last time I got pulled over (blew through red from a fast yellow) and I was just let go with a warning.

Recently, there is a mentally unstable person in my neighborhood and he decided to sit on my porch and light pieces of paper on fire one day. I called and they were there in 15 minutes and said they could do what they can to help this guy. The cops seemed geniunly concerned about his and my safety. I was floored by how well this call went.

I live in one of the decent, but not wealthy neighborhoods. Chicago is about 1/3rd horrible ghetto and 1/3rd marginal and 1/3rd decent. Life in those other 2/3rd's is very, very different. If you're outside of the typical "northside" neighborhoods the cops are much tougher and much more paranoid about being hurt or killed. I lived in one of those neighborhoods and there's a completely different vibe there. Cops pull up with 3+ squads at every call, take up defensive positions, hands close to weapons, etc. A dog attacked mine when I lived in Humboldt Park and the cops came out and were cool about it, but clearly on edge as I lived in gang territory. In other neighborhoods, I don't see this edge, or the defensive tactices. So yeah, there's something here about cop safety in marginal neighborhoods. I imagine provoking these guys in these neighborhoods leads to bad outcomes.

Also, not to attack the GP, but there is a Chicago cyclist personality I see frequently. They do dick moves with their bikes, cause accidents, never obey any traffic law, scream at pedestrians, have unbelievable senses of entitlements, kick/punch cars, and constantly pretend to be innocent and are often incredibly confrontational when criticized. I can't imagine cops being nice to these people and the GP sounds like one of these people, which may explain many of his experiences. Chicago cyclists have a bad rep for a reason.

That said, I have next to zero fear of the police and lots of fear in regards to the high criminality and massive gang population here. I've been intimidated and threatened on the train multiple times, car/house robbed, had to walk lady friends to their homes/cars many times not out of courtesy but because there was a known rapist loose or the gang kids were clearly looking to start trouble that night, have been uncomfortably close to a gang shooting at least once, hit 3x by DUI drivers, etc. I suspect Chicago cops are tough because Chicago has so much serious crime. This isn't the suburbs.

Wikipedia: Chicago has more gang members than any other city in the United States: 150,000. The city had 532 murders in 2012.

Chicago tribune: Chicago police officers shot 22 people in 2015, eight of them fatally.

532 vs 8, guys. Oh, 150,000 gang members is 5% of the population. That's right, this is a major city where 1 in 20 are gang members.

That said, the powerful Chicago police union is pretty horrible. It exists to protect the worst of the worst, out of some misplaced sense of pride. I would love to see public sector unions eliminated in the city, if not nationwide. They just make things worse for everyone. Society needs an alternative to the union system in the public sector. I find it bothersome that all the recent ant-police sentiment still has not percolated to the police unions. I suspect this is a political thing where liberals can't attack their own institutions. So expect zero real reform.

FWIW, I am darker skinned and do not pass as "white." I'm typically clocked as a Latino. I've always owned older cars , dress very casually outside of work, and live way below my means. I doubt I was treated in any special way because of status/race. I don't fall into the preferred categories.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #101
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a concerted and coordinated criminal conspiracy Yes. It's Chicago. You've just described city government in six words.

Another poster already alluded to the point, but I'd like to make it explicit: if you believe Chicago is exceptional in this, you are wrong. The NYPD is almost as bad (as far as we know, the NYPD doesn't have an off-the-books torture chamber[1], rather preferring to sodomize arrestees with brooms in the regular jails on a more ad hoc basis). But just as life-destroying are the things that go on in smaller communities…

> rosecutors and especially judges, always slow to change when change makes their jobs harder, will take longer to get used to the notion that wink-and-nod isn't going to work any more. Police unions are going to lose this fight, especially as activists are starting to become savvy to the tactical advantage of splitting Republicans between law and order fears and union busters.

I'm optimistic. State budgets are such a mess that the police unions are going to get hit hard from both sides. Young families on one hand, when police pensions start cutting into education, and fiscal conservatives on the other, who will relish the opportunity to take out public unions. The Illinois that rises out of the ashes of bankruptcy might look a lot better.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #101
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a concerted and coordinated criminal conspiracy Yes. It's Chicago. You've just described city government in six words.

Another poster already alluded to the point, but I'd like to make it explicit: if you believe Chicago is exceptional in this, you are wrong. The NYPD is almost as bad (as far as we know, the NYPD doesn't have an off-the-books torture chamber[1], rather preferring to sodomize arrestees with brooms in the regular jails on a more ad hoc basis). But just as life-destroying are the things that go on in smaller communities…

What about splitting the left with people who despise police unions and those who support all public sector unions 100% of the time?

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #90

Is anyone really surprised with this? These things have to be made tamper-evident, otherwise this is going to happen.

There needs to be seals on the cameras, and a connection to the police radio in the car which reports tampering back to the dispatch room.

Any deliberate destruction should lead to disciplinary action up to and including termination.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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post #90

Is anyone really surprised with this? These things have to be made tamper-evident, otherwise this is going to happen.

It seems that this is a cultural problem and not a technological one. If the entire police force is against the idea of recording, how will tamper-proofing make a difference (if the people reviewing the videos are also complicit?)

Tamper proofing is required in addition to making the necessary cultural changes. It keeps them honest.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The curious thing is that police-forces are paid for by state and local taxes. Why is no one advocating cutting their funding until come into compliance with certain higher standards?

Because that's "being soft on crime" which will lose you an election here. The propaganda machine makes it very hard to oppose the police.

Go after pensions and overtime pay (for bs like court appearances) to compensate for lawsuits and the costs to society (hospital treatment to abused citizens) instead of regular day-to-day funds and you can hardly be called soft on crime. I think the more accurate term is "fiscally conservative."

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

#129
post #74

Let's see.. in the 20 odd years here in Chicago, the sum of my police interactions are: Hit by a white shirt (supervisor) who came out of an alley on clark st while in a bike lane - somehow my fault, detained. Hit on foot, by a car with no lights on in a residential neighborhood while crossing at a crosswalk - somehow my fault for being outside while there was "a suspect being hunted" Watching officers on foot in 7-1…

Helping a friend move to another city because he ended a relationship with a cop who made his life a living hell after they broke up. I was dating this girl a couple of years ago and we were pretty early on, but she wanted to spend the night. And we were cool so it wasn't an awkward thing, but what I figured out as that she didn't necessarily want to stay the night as much as she was afraid to go home at night. Her r…

Police officers abuse their romantic partners at about twice the average rate. Domestic violence occurs in about 40% of households with police officers.

Re: Chicago Police Hid Mics, Destroyed Dashcams to Block Audio, Records Show

#130
post #99

This has been the rebuttal every time the argument "we just need bodycams on police" comes up in the latest thread about police indiscriminately raping or abusing women/shooting black men in the street like hunters shooting deer/pepper spraying protesters at point blank range for having the audacity to stage a sit-in. Body cams won't magically make police accountable or less corrupt. Power corrupts. The only solution…

We do need bodycams on police, but the program needs to be properly administered. Documentation when things break, enough spares so malfunctions are quickly and easily replaced. The Chicago PD is clearly rife with corruption, so you can't just point to this program and say it won't work. There are lessons to be learned here, and they can be avoided with actual (and immediate) accountability.
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