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Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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There's a very relevant section in this book ( The Second Machine Age: Work, Progress, and Prosperity in a Time of Brilliant Technologies - http://amzn.to/1KFJ1Iu ) , that I just read last night: > "His view is strongly supported by the work of economist Andrew Oswald, who found that joblessness lasting six months or longer harms feelings of well-being and other measures of mental health about as much as the death of…

Being unemployed isn't the same as feeling unemployable.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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If I am a participant in this subject and I am told that I will be receiving Basic Income for 5 years I might act differently compared to if I was told that I am entitled to Basic Income for the rest of my life. The observation bias alone might motivate people to do work and strive to achieve something with all of their time. Or, it might even cause them to lie about the things they're working on. It will be very int…

Yeah if it's 5 years i would be very worried about finding employment the day after and having a 5-year gap in my resume. Would the hiring manager care that I was working on my art?

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

#63

One of the biggest fallacies of the BI movement is they suggest that when AI automates many menial jobs it will lead to mass unemployment. This assumes that the average person is incapable of more skilled labor, when history has shown time and again that people adapt to the changing workforce. Yes there can be lag but it's not insurmountable. Another problem I have with BI is it equally distributes assistance with no…

My worry about automation is less about people being left without jobs and more about that production ends up concentrated behind those with the capital to purchase automation tools.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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I want to add the following idea, which I have mentioned here on HN several times:

I humbly submit this as my solo-founder, idea-only HN application;

The Standard Pantry.

The standard pantry is literally just that - a pantry of a set of basic ingredients that go along with a range of standard recipes and a weekly menu schedule.

Provide this standard pantry as a partially subsidized offering and teach people how to make a set menu from the basics. Certain components used are refilled at a regular interval as a part of the standard pantry - other ingredients will still need to be purchased, perhaps in conjunction with basic income.

The goal is to help people cook, themselves, more healthy and affordable meals. and overall increase their quality of life.

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When I was first learning the basics of cooking from my grandmother, she used to be able to tell me to the penny the cost of each meal we cooked. How some dishes were "$1.43 per person" etc...

It drove home to me the value of cooking and not wasting food.

Cooking is therapy as well. eating well / better is good for every aspect of life.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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What I want to know is whether Basic Income implemented with our current housing and laws about land ownership will just run afoul of the Henry George Theorem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George_theorem IE, the aggregate value of public spending in an area tends to soak into the land value -- give everybody $X,000 a year and the landlords will dutifully raise annual rents by $X,000.

The Henry George Theorem talks about spending on public goods.

How is giving a blanket benefit to every citizen in an area not a public good?

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is one of the most important components to study.

Will this be possible to simulate if the participants know they are taking part in a study?

That's always a hard thing to tease out of psychological studies. The tests have to be very clever to do so, and they'd have to be wide ranging. Essentially, yes, but it'll cost a lot of money.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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I'm very skeptical of basic income as commonly understood. The typical basic income program I've seen goes something like this: give every person in the country $10k to live on, no strings attached. [a] 1) As defined above, this is horribly inefficient and expensive. I, a software engineer in Silicon Valley, would receive this $10k. How does this benefit society? I already make over $100k; I don't need additional inc…

Presumably progressive tax increases would accompany a guaranteed income such that some percentage of the population would get no net benefit, at the least. The point is that it's much cheaper to administer than traditional safety net programs and less nannyish.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is one of the most important components to study.

Will this be possible to simulate if the participants know they are taking part in a study?

And in particular, if they know they cannot count on the basic income indefinitely? Studies on this in the past have hit that exact problem.

Re: Request For Research: Basic Income

#70
I think a related question to ask is "What will people do with themselves when technology has displaced a large majority of jobs, and how will that be financed?" When technology has displaced all the jobs, the only thing that will be left will be research and the Arts. It seems both of those have an infinite amount of work to still be achieved, and technology will never be able to automate away those fields completely.
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