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Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

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Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#91
post #8

I was under HN influence when I started my solo product. I had designed it as bootstrapped: There is an opportunity, I fulfill it, then I don't go after the x1000 scaling. It worked at the end of year 1, and we're 2.5 years later, and I'm happy, not millionaire, but I have my own work schedule. There are several kinds of startups. The article mentions huge ones. Or you can start a consultancy, very classic business,…

> Or you can start a consultancy, very classic business, low risk. Low risk? Consultancy/freelance businesses are very high risk. Easy to start, very difficult to maintain.

they're low risk compared to other businesses, not compared to having a jay oh bee.

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#92

"Money won’t make you happy" I disagree with this. I've been running my own company for a little over 5 years. Not having to worry about my rent and being able to live a comfortable lifestyle has made me really happy. If I made $100 million and didn't ever have to worry about money again, I definitely would be happier. It's the peace of mind that I'm working toward. But, the money isn't the main thing that makes me h…

The full quote is "money won't make you happy (within reason)". I agree with this. Once you cover basic needs and some luxuries (say, a car, a nice house, the possibility to travel and pay for the education of your kids; add or subtract whatever floats your particular boat), additional money won't buy you more happiness.

The kind of money that affords you these luxuries also gives you peace of mind. You can always scale back in difficult times, and it won't hurt you much.

Having huge amounts of money won't make you happier -- you'd be well past the "peace of mind" stage at that point -- unless your most desired goal in life is to be a billionaire philantropist like Bill Gates. Or a power player in the world's economy. Or swimming in a pool of gold coins like Scrooge McDuck, I guess.

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#93

I remember a slew of articles mid 2015 that raised the criticism that founders came from privileged backgrounds. The article also mentioned "the cult of the entrepreneur" and the idolization of these characters. I am born and raised in SV and yet I frankly do not understand the fetishization of entrepreneurs and the idea that this line of work is somehow holier than any other. Isn't that the root of the problem, rath…

There's a narrative we're told about entrepreneurs that we're not told about Wall St. One of the founding values of America is that anyone with innovative entrepreneurial drive can start their own business and build wealth from nothing. It's what brought so many immigrants to this country, and is even taught to us in school as being the backbone of capitalism.

Most people in America have never actually met a successful entrepreneur. The shop keep down the street is usually under water with loans, and the big successes are corporations headquartered far away, the founders living in expensive seclusion. Heck, in my case it wasn't until I arrived in the Bay Area in my early 20's before I actually met someone who ran a successful business in person.

The successful entrepreneur is this key person in our social mythology, and stays very much a myth to most people. Their success gets spun into compelling stories that give a lot of hope to those who want a way out of poor circumstances. And in an effort to spin stories that sell, journalists (and PR people) often omit key facts, to match the "Self-Made Man" narrative that the people want to hear.

So, learning that yes it indeed is mostly myth and that no, not everyone can get a shot at being "Self-Made" - is pulling the curtains back on a long standing cultural deceit. The truth that success is mostly limited to a tiny subset of the population based on mixed factors like wealth, education, location, social values, generational cohort, parental upbringing etc, is a bitter pill to swallow.

Eager, but disadvantaged, entrepreneurs have been entering the tech market with this key information being withheld, aiming their sights on holding out for mega VC rounds when they should have been focused on earning a living. This leads to painful failures that could have been prevented. Had these founders been given the right narrative to begin with, they might have been better aligned to scale of business success that's reasonably within their grasp. That's the issue here

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#94

"Money won’t make you happy" I disagree with this. I've been running my own company for a little over 5 years. Not having to worry about my rent and being able to live a comfortable lifestyle has made me really happy. If I made $100 million and didn't ever have to worry about money again, I definitely would be happier. It's the peace of mind that I'm working toward. But, the money isn't the main thing that makes me h…

Money won’t make you happy I have always hated this saying because it's worthless without the context of who is getting the money. I grew up poor - money definitely made us happy because we could afford to move out of my aunt or my grandmother's house. Everyone loves to cite the study that "above $75,000/year money doesn't make you happier" - without realizing that it's simply saying that there are diminishing return…

> without realizing that it's simply saying that there are diminishing returns above that point

But I thought everyone got that point. It's not as if people thought every additional dollar brought them misery. People who quote this understand that you don't need this additional money, and that the effort/sacrifices to get it are not worth it.

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#95
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not in your blood to absolutely have to be an entrepreneur (or painter, writer, comedian, etc...) you probably shouldn't be one.

But how do we know if it is in our blood? That is probably the hardest part.

> You are looking outside, and that is what you should most avoid right now. No one can advise or help you - no one. There is only one thing you should do. Go into yourself. Find out the reason that commands you to write; see whether it has spread its roots into the very depths of your heart; confess to yourself whether you would have to die if you were forbidden to write. This most of all: ask yourself in the most silent hour of your night: must I write? Dig into yourself for a deep answer. And if this answer rings out in assent, if you meet this solemn question with a strong, simple "I must", then build your life in accordance with this necessity; your whole life, even into its humblest and most indifferent hour, must become a sign and witness to this impulse.

Rainer Maria Rilke http://www.carrothers.com/rilke1.htm

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#96

I remember a slew of articles mid 2015 that raised the criticism that founders came from privileged backgrounds. The article also mentioned "the cult of the entrepreneur" and the idolization of these characters. I am born and raised in SV and yet I frankly do not understand the fetishization of entrepreneurs and the idea that this line of work is somehow holier than any other. Isn't that the root of the problem, rath…

There's a narrative we're told about entrepreneurs that we're not told about Wall St. One of the founding values of America is that anyone with innovative entrepreneurial drive can start their own business and build wealth from nothing. It's what brought so many immigrants to this country, and is even taught to us in school as being the backbone of capitalism. Most people in America have never actually met a successf…

I really like framing this situation as "a myth" (and especially as a foundational myth). Thanks for this perspective!

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe he meant that in France, being a civil servant is kind of a common "dream job" - high pay, little work, near 100% job security, plenty of benefits. Brazil has a similar culture with the "concurseiros" too.

High pay? Not for most jobs, really.

You mean for France or for Brazil?

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#98
post #81

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I can't imagine a lot of businesses that come with lower risk attached than consulting: You don't need equity. Profit margins are high. Depending on your particular expertise your services will be in demand for years to come (anything software-related). If you do it right you can work for several clients at the same time. At least you can always have a full sales pipeline so losing a contract won't be an end-of-the-w…

I would love to see your consulting model. You speak as if keeping a full sales pipeline while making multiple clients happy is a simple thing. I'll agree that a single person consultancy is 0 risk. I can accept a job offer tomorrow and stop accepting new clients. But growing your consultancy is just as risky as any other business, if not more so. You don't have a wide range of low paying clients, like a SaaS model.…

Firing people is risky for the person potentially being fired, not for the owners of the firm. Growing and shrinking over time is part and parcel of running a consultancy. That's why you see it all the time, and I'll bet if you look closer at the ownership during layoffs you'll find that they very rarely miss a paycheck and usually escape unharmed.

The fact that it's an unpleasant reality doesn't make it any more risky than e.g. having to pay taxes.

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#99
post #2

Can confirm. Tried startup. Worked hard. Ran out of money. Ended up homeless. It sucked.

Really sorry to hear that. I didn't wind up homeless (thankfully) when I did it, but I burned through a good portion of my life savings (20+ years worth.) I'm going to write about it at some point, but the short version is that if you don't have any family or anything similar to fall back on other than your savings, you'd better be very sure your idea is a winner in advance (not exactly trivial.) We all know about the magical exceptions, but most of us aren't in a position to take risks like that without losing most or all of what we have, and that fact sucks. People (especially younger ones) are more risk averse for good reason:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-slow-death-of-americ...

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/05/29/chart-of-the-day-m...

Re: Entrepreneur porn is a dangerous fantasy

#100
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't like B2B much; a monolith company can randomly decide to pay 5-10 months late and no one bats an eye because that's the normal thing to do for a company of that size, small entrepreneurs that are barely making it be damned.

Small startups can leverage a factoring company to handle A/R and do risk assessment for lines of credit with customers before doing work. Definitely a worthwhile service to leverage if you do B2B.

Oh yes.

The short list/affacturation scam. Software can only support safely at most 10 providers ... for RA.. facturing ... limitations.

Thus I had between 1 and 4 mans in the middle for the purpose of "factoring, risks assessments" and shits.

I usually was paid 300€ to 400€ / days when customers were billed between 1000€ and more. Each companies adding delays and free to use and recycle my specs, my codes, my works to compete against me next time. Added value : negative.

Have you ever been 38 yo, back at your mum's place, honoring a contract and eating ramen while waiting 18 months for the magic of "affacturation" to work and discovering that the men in the middle are now making money from YOUR creation ?

Fuck rotten so called capitalism.

Only the kids born rich gets the money and they scam people like me to have the job done.

This business is very close to both scam and extortion.

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