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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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How is FF ugly? I don't find the UI very different from Chrome and Safari.

I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Works for me as well. Are you by any chance using duck duck go as your default search provider?

Works fine for me too and I'm using DuckDuckGo on both iOS and Mac.

I use DuckDuckGo as well and I was affected by this.

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They confirmed that they're working on it but it's not clear that it was a purely a problem with Apple's code. Given all of the well-documented general stability problems t.co has had over the years it would not surprise me to learn that Chrome has a more aggressive recovery mode from a bad DNS server, failures returned by only one of the multiple servers which that hostname resolves to, etc. I've seen plenty of t.co…

When Hatcher said it was "lower level than WebKit," I took that to mean it has something to do with iOS/OS X's built-in Twitter integration.

Seems like it could be DNS resolvers as well...

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When Hatcher said it was "lower level than WebKit," I took that to mean it has something to do with iOS/OS X's built-in Twitter integration.

Seems like it could be DNS resolvers as well...

That's what I was thinking as well: DNS, possibly something like the way their IPv6/4 reachability checks work (Happy Eyeballs is new enough to make that very easy to believe), etc.

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>One has the passion and enthusiasm of well respected open source volunteers behind it, and the other has a sleek high quality shine only our dear corporate overlords could deliver. This is minor, but it sets the mood the for the whole experience of add ons. Doesn't Mozilla spend a lot on Firefox development? Like in the hundreds or tens of millions of dollars range? They have very nice and grand offices, lavish even…

Sorry, I don't understand what point you're making. I was strictly speaking about the aesthetics of their extensions pages. Those were descriptions of the impressions they give. I was purposefully judging the book by it's cover, because I was talking strictly about the cover. I know FireFox is a brilliant piece of engineering and I never mentioned Mozilla. Red Hat spends a lot on Linux development too, doesn't mean a…

The aesthetics of the FF addon marketplace are the way they are because Mozilla neglected that property for many years. There's currently a new initiative to redesign and build out an updated version of the marketplace, so expect the design to look like the chrome one soon.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

I really like Safari on OS X. It's my go-to browser on my personal machine, and on my work machine, it's my "personal" browser (I'm typing this into safari). I use Chrome for my work stuff.

But maybe this is down to your tab preferences. I simply hate tabs. To me, they're the sign of a failed window manager. I don't feel it's the job of every application to reinvent the UX wheel and implement tab functions differently from every other application.

Maybe some day an operating system will support tabs natively?

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> app crashing because a remote server is down? Bad coding. Bad QA. What else is lurking in that codebase? That happens all the time with all kinds of apps, which nethertheless might be indispensable.

If only it were open source, then we could check.

If only it were open source and its users had both the knowledge required, the time AND cared enough to check.

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I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

I absolutely hate the FF UI. I WANT to use FF, I actually switched a few months ago and did it for a couple of months. I THINK my problem (I say think because I feel like someone will measure the pixel and say I'm wrong) is that it feels like there is a ton of wasted space between the tabs, above the tabs. etc. I can't control the size of the top bars and they're huge compared to chrome. I'm a fan of tiny icons and v…

For me it's the other way around, I use FF for everything but dev sessions where I use Chrome (I prefer it's dev tools).

I tried breaking the habit for a while but I ended up opening FF all the time by muscle memory.

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I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

> For whatever reason, chrome is simply the best browser for those 50 tab research sessions

Wait, what? For me, Chrome is utterly unusable for “research sessions” (aka routine browsing). It starts chewing up resources like crazy and completely falls over when I try using it for any amount of time with 25+ tabs open. Google’s non-search webapps seem to be particular offenders: more than a few tabs of them open in Chrome brings my fast laptop to its knees.

Firefox is good up to about 100 tabs, but becomes a big CPU and memory hog and inevitably crashes after a day or two.

In Safari, I routinely keep 200+ tabs open for weeks at a time with no problem (though eventually I start running out of system memory; not sure if there’s a slow memory leak, or if badly written websites just require indefinitely large amounts when kept open, or what; usually by that point there’s a new security update to install in any case).

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