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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by wahsd »

sawwit wrote: post #32
vlunkr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

How is FF ugly? I don't find the UI very different from Chrome and Safari.

I don't know what it is, but I agree. There is something subtly and subconsciously going on that nudges me away from FF too. I think it's the loose feeling UI, the default smiley face icon of the chat that I don't know anyone uses, the paper airplane as the share icon. It's that there is still not unified search/address bar even if one would prefer it without running a poorly executed extension. It's that the tabs feel so childish with the far too rounded corners and loose padding and it's even the few pixels more of padding between the address bar and the tabs boundary. It's the small font of the address bar, it's the disproportionately large back button, it's the apparent lack of design and style requirements for extension icons that make them look blurry and generally shitty and bolted on in the UI, etc.

I know that all that maybe sounds rather petty and maybe there's something wrong with me and it's my biases for some reason, but it just all adds up to a fuzzy notion of childishness and less than "down to business" feel. I say that as someone that used to exclusively use FF and shunned Chrome for all the various reasons mentioned by others.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by cpeterso »

swozey wrote: post #57
cptskippy wrote: post #40

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I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

I absolutely hate the FF UI. I WANT to use FF, I actually switched a few months ago and did it for a couple of months. I THINK my problem (I say think because I feel like someone will measure the pixel and say I'm wrong) is that it feels like there is a ton of wasted space between the tabs, above the tabs. etc. I can't control the size of the top bars and they're huge compared to chrome. I'm a fan of tiny icons and v…

You might try the "Custom Tab Width" add-on to shrink your Firefox tabs. I also like to set my toolbar bookmarks' names to an empty string, so my toolbar is just a bunch of bookmark favicons.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/custom-tab-wi...

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by untog »

coldtea wrote: post #71
untog wrote: post #25

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They both show worrying things to me: - app crashing because a remote server is down? Bad coding. Bad QA. What else is lurking in that codebase? - weird bug affecting one domain? Fix it. Twitter is not a small site. But it's been months and they still haven't fixed it.

> app crashing because a remote server is down? Bad coding. Bad QA. What else is lurking in that codebase? That happens all the time with all kinds of apps, which nethertheless might be indispensable.

If only it were open source, then we could check.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by wahsd »

macNchz wrote: post #49
vlunkr wrote: post #18

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

Not all that different these days. http://imgur.com/qII55SM The new FF UI has been out and stable for nearly two years now.

I think you are underestimating the impact of the subtle nature of the differences. For me, it really kind of annoys me that FF seems to have a looser UI than Chrome. It's those couple of pixels of padding between address bar and tabs, it's the wider/longer tab due to padding, etc..

And now that I think about it, it's even things like the tab behavior where Chrome condenses tabs and FF just pushes them out of view an adds the disgusting scroll UI. Maybe that's a personal preference thing, but I would very much prefer having a dense overview rather than having what is essentially a nested scrolling.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by vlunkr »

zbjornson wrote: post #48
vlunkr wrote: post #18

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

How can you live without FF's 3D DOM view?! More seriously, FF's dev tools have felt more advanced than Chrome's for a while, including the ability to edit and resend an XHR request.

The 3D DOM view is really neat, but so far I haven't found a practical use for it.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by DiabloD3 »

vcarl wrote: post #10
autoreleasepool wrote: post #6

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

Fun trick I learned with Chrome: Click a tab, then shift-click another tab. The tabs should darken, and if you drag them, they all move as a unit. Very handy when you have sessions that kind of diverged and you'd like to mentally separate them.

You can select tabs using your normal item selecting techniques, including control and shift.

I wish all browsers would inherit this, that is a very powerful thing.

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by [deleted] »

vcarl wrote: post #10
autoreleasepool wrote: post #6

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

Fun trick I learned with Chrome: Click a tab, then shift-click another tab. The tabs should darken, and if you drag them, they all move as a unit. Very handy when you have sessions that kind of diverged and you'd like to mentally separate them.

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Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by QuantumCookie »

autoreleasepool wrote: post #6

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

Firefox's tab groups, combined with "Don't load tabs until I click on them", are what I use to deal with dozens of tabs. Though being able to have more groups sat in the background with comparatively little performance hit definitely feeds my tab addiction...

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by mhb »

wiremine wrote: post #66
autoreleasepool wrote: post #6

I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

> It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. I recently got a new, high-end Macbook Pro (16GB, 1TB SSD, i7 2.8Gz). I've been a long-time Chrome user, but I figured this would be a good time to try Safari: I've heard good things about it's energy usage. I used Safari as my primary browser for about 2 weeks, and just switched back to Chrome. Safari wasn't bad, but it seems to take a LONG time to make connections to…

Energy usage? What would the difference in energy used be for Chrome vs. Safari vs. Firefox?

Re: Apple Safari users suffer crashes

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Post by wiremine »

mhb wrote: post #89
wiremine wrote: post #66

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> It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. I recently got a new, high-end Macbook Pro (16GB, 1TB SSD, i7 2.8Gz). I've been a long-time Chrome user, but I figured this would be a good time to try Safari: I've heard good things about it's energy usage. I used Safari as my primary browser for about 2 weeks, and just switched back to Chrome. Safari wasn't bad, but it seems to take a LONG time to make connections to…

Energy usage? What would the difference in energy used be for Chrome vs. Safari vs. Firefox?

Check out this article, or google around for others. Apple has spent a lot of time making Safari more efficient to extend battery life:

http://bgr.com/2015/08/05/google-chrome-vs-safari-battery-li...

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