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Not all that different these days. http://imgur.com/qII55SM The new FF UI has been out and stable for nearly two years now.

I'm assuming there's an extension to merge the URL and search bars to get Chrome-like behaviour?

Yes you can enable search suggestions in the URL bar right in the Firefox preferences and hide the separate search box. I keep them separate because I don't care to have everything I type in the URL bar be sent to Google by default.

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

For UI check out Firefox Dev Edition, clean and classy alternative. And the dev tools take some time, but they're likeable for sure.

The problem I have with FF dev tools is that json responses are hideous, just one long string. Where Chrome's look like json with expandable fields.

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

Not all that different these days. http://imgur.com/qII55SM The new FF UI has been out and stable for nearly two years now.

FF changes the UI very frequently. Even the last update from 42 to 43 had changes. I love FF and its my only browser but this is one of the most irritating things they do. Maintaining a standard UI is a must to retaining users (and keeping them upgrading).

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Not all that different these days. http://imgur.com/qII55SM The new FF UI has been out and stable for nearly two years now.

I'm assuming there's an extension to merge the URL and search bars to get Chrome-like behaviour?

Omnibar is what you're looking for.

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> In what way? The only difference I can see is the download status bar, but that's available on firefox as an extension. Yes, I've tried to replicate Chrome's UI with Firefox extension. But it feels like I'm using extensions. Furthermore, I really don't enjoy configuring browsers because between work, school, and hobbies I use a lot of different machine. For this reason, if I'm using firefox, it's usually with the d…

>One has the passion and enthusiasm of well respected open source volunteers behind it, and the other has a sleek high quality shine only our dear corporate overlords could deliver. This is minor, but it sets the mood the for the whole experience of add ons. Doesn't Mozilla spend a lot on Firefox development? Like in the hundreds or tens of millions of dollars range? They have very nice and grand offices, lavish even…

Sorry, I don't understand what point you're making. I was strictly speaking about the aesthetics of their extensions pages. Those were descriptions of the impressions they give.

I was purposefully judging the book by it's cover, because I was talking strictly about the cover. I know FireFox is a brilliant piece of engineering and I never mentioned Mozilla. Red Hat spends a lot on Linux development too, doesn't mean anything about the aesthetics of the platform.

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I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

> It's certainly snappier than the alternatives.

I recently got a new, high-end Macbook Pro (16GB, 1TB SSD, i7 2.8Gz). I've been a long-time Chrome user, but I figured this would be a good time to try Safari: I've heard good things about it's energy usage.

I used Safari as my primary browser for about 2 weeks, and just switched back to Chrome. Safari wasn't bad, but it seems to take a LONG time to make connections to websites. And sometimes it would just hang indefinitely. At first I thought this was a machine issue, but all my other networking apps (Chrome, Postman, etc.) return immediately.

Like parent comment, I really want to like Safari...

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I don't get how he thinks it's ugly or different. Not only is it very similar but, unlike Chrome or Safari, every aspect of it is customizable so you can make it look however you want. Out of the box you can rearrange the the UI elements to match Chrome or Safari.

I absolutely hate the FF UI. I WANT to use FF, I actually switched a few months ago and did it for a couple of months. I THINK my problem (I say think because I feel like someone will measure the pixel and say I'm wrong) is that it feels like there is a ton of wasted space between the tabs, above the tabs. etc. I can't control the size of the top bars and they're huge compared to chrome. I'm a fan of tiny icons and v…

Perhaps give Tree Style Tabs on FF a try.

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I'm assuming there's an extension to merge the URL and search bars to get Chrome-like behaviour?

Yes you can enable search suggestions in the URL bar right in the Firefox preferences and hide the separate search box. I keep them separate because I don't care to have everything I type in the URL bar be sent to Google by default.

Exactly. The divide between address bar and search bar is a much under-appreciated privacy feature.

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This is me exactly. I can't stand the UI in FF. It seems to change too much and it's ugly. There are probably plugins to help with that, but I haven't invested the time to look into it. It's also hard to kick the Chrome dev tools.

How is FF ugly? I don't find the UI very different from Chrome and Safari.

It's quite different, and because of XUL it also falls in the uncanny valley of looking like native widgets but not behaving exactly like them.

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I've tried to like Safari. It's certainly snappier than the alternatives. It's fast and seems light. I'll go as far as to say I want to like Safari. As a heavy iPhone and Mac user, going all in on Safari would buy me a lot. In a similar vein, I want to like Firefox - even more so than Safari. An open source web browser by a non-profit? Sign me up. That's an excellent concept to rally behind. But... I can't ditch Chro…

Fun trick I learned with Chrome: Click a tab, then shift-click another tab. The tabs should darken, and if you drag them, they all move as a unit. Very handy when you have sessions that kind of diverged and you'd like to mentally separate them.

I can't recommend the Tree Style Tabs FF add-on enough for these kinds of "large sessions that diverge into many sub-sessions". If you ctrl-click a link, this add-on creates a new child-tab of the current tab and loads the link there. It kind of builds little spanning trees of the WWW graph, which seems to be a very natural way of browsing the web, but you can also organize these tab trees completely freely with drag & drop.
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