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What Paul Graham Is Missing About Inequality – Tim O'Reilly

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It would be much more interesting to hear economists, who have expertise in this domain, discuss this issue and hear people who happen to be in our industry talk about what they know (IT).

I agree. Paul Graham's essays on income inequality expressed my views on income inequality more clearly than even I was thinking them. I appreciate this, but now I need to hear a critique by someone who understands the issue how I understand it and disagrees with me. I've been looking, but I've found ad hominem attacks.

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One of the big reason we have an increase in wealth inequality is globalization. Before 2000, you were only competing with another American at the same wage. Now, you need to compete with workers in India, China, and Mexico.

If not in those countries, big companies like Facebook will just bring them over on an H1B visa at a similarly competitive wage.

It's the same phenomenon that happened when technology uprooted the music industry 15 years ago: small, indy labels can now no longer survive because nobody actually buys music anymore and we are left with huge labels.

Adblock will eventually do the same with independent blogs: If you want to make any sort of living, you will need to post your content on a large-corporate owned blog that has enough traffic to make money outside the ad system.

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It would be much more interesting to hear economists, who have expertise in this domain, discuss this issue and hear people who happen to be in our industry talk about what they know (IT).

I agree. Paul Graham's essays on income inequality expressed my views on income inequality more clearly than even I was thinking them. I appreciate this, but now I need to hear a critique by someone who understands the issue how I understand it and disagrees with me. I've been looking, but I've found ad hominem attacks.

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Re: What Paul Graham Is Missing About Inequality – Tim O'Reilly

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Paul writes: The most naive version of which is the one based on the pie fallacy: that the rich get rich by taking money from the poor. ... I think because we grow up in a world where the pie fallacy is actually true. To kids, wealth is a fixed pie that’s shared out, and if one person gets more it’s at the expense of another.

Tim amends: But in formerly rich countries, many people who used to be paid well for their work now have to compete for lower-paid jobs, while those who already own meaningful capital take a larger and larger share of the pie. This is the real “pie fallacy” — the idea that as long as the pie is getting bigger, everyone is better off. It’s true that through technology, trade, and the spread of knowledge, we have made a bigger pie. But that doesn’t mean that some people aren’t getting far more of the benefit, while others are losing out.

This is a step forward, but I confess that I'm still not convinced that the simpler version is actually a fallacy. I can't shake the sense that more and more people are consuming shared resources in a finite ecosystem.

Paul continues: It takes a conscious effort to remind oneself that the real world doesn’t work that way. In the real world you can create wealth as well as taking it from others. A woodworker creates wealth. He makes a chair, and you willingly give him money in return for it.

But where does he get the wood? Does he cut down a tree, which is no longer there for others to use? Or if he buys the lumber, how does he get the money to do so? And the person with the lumber, did they cut down a public tree to get it? For that matter, where does the person who buys the chair get his money? Does it matter if he too "created wealth" or it OK if he took it by force?

Can someone who once shared my naiveté explain what convinced them that the "finite resources" view is indeed a fallacy? It might be that I don't distinguish correctly between wealth and value. I understand that people can create something of value, and that they can make themselves wealthy, but I don't think I understand the concept of creating wealth.

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Very curious to see what people think about O'Reilly's supposition that many, if not most, startups are just another financial instrument that don't actually create wealth:

"When a startup doesn’t have an underlying business model that will eventually produce real revenues and profits, and the only way for its founders to get rich is to sell to another company or to investors, you have to ask yourself whether that startup is really just a financial instrument, not that dissimilar to the CDOs of the 2008 financial crisis — a way of extracting value from the economy without actually creating it."

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One of the big reason we have an increase in wealth inequality is globalization. Before 2000, you were only competing with another American at the same wage. Now, you need to compete with workers in India, China, and Mexico. If not in those countries, big companies like Facebook will just bring them over on an H1B visa at a similarly competitive wage. It's the same phenomenon that happened when technology uprooted th…

Globalisation has actually decreased inequality on a global scale.
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