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(or will we just write all that crazy stuff in the new javascript libraries: http://raphaeljs.com/scape/)
Is there an HTML5 alternative to vector graphics? Even if HTML5 take down flash video, will we all still have the flash plugin for games and other interactive uses? (or will we just write all that crazy stuff in the new javascript libraries: http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ )
Is there an HTML5 alternative to vector graphics? Even if HTML5 take down flash video, will we all still have the flash plugin for games and other interactive uses? (or will we just write all that crazy stuff in the new javascript libraries: http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ )
While Flash is pretty awful, I think it's plain the only reason Apple doesn't want it on their devices is because it allows for functionality that Apple don't want you to access without you paying them. http://listen.grooveshark.com/ , for example, completely voids any reason to pay for music over iTunes. Not to mention the thousands of games and other content that offers an alternative on their proprietary store fro…
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My point is that unless you are deliberately trying to put words in his mouth (or simply didn't read the article), that link proves the CTO's point, not counters it. Look at the exact quote from our CTO friend: "...so users and content creators would be thrown back to the dark ages of video on the Web with incompatibility issues." He's not saying the player won't look good or be sexy or whatever, he saying it will th…
Many sites deliver video by H.264 in the absence of Flash. It is seamless to the user, and there are no blue legos. The fact that Flash is missing from iPhones and iPod Touches, and that people with those devices are using the web, produced this situation. The "Dark Age" is already here, and it's not a dark age. The link I submitted is indeed both an example of the "Dark Age problem" of HTML5 (that Firefox refuses to…
We're all on the same page here, we want there to be open standards for video on the web, and that standard will be HTML 5. My point to you is that the current method of proselytizing this is preaching to the choir and not effective to the people that matter. If I ran a moderately successful medium traffic website, and I saw what the CTO said, then saw your response, clicked on it, and found that it didn't work on just about every browser, I would have to agree with the CTO, and then I may not bother expending the energy on switching the content on my site. Its simply a matter of fighting this thing intelligently.
The situation with the iPhone/iPod Touch not having Flash is not hunky dory. We live in a bubble where we simply don't use Flash that much and think "what's the big deal". I am 100% guilty of this myself. I am thrilled Flash is not on the iPhone and I absolutely hate Flash on my computer, exhibit A: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057673 . However, I can see that there exist use cases outside of my own experiences: I am not an 11 year old kid that plays Flash games all the time. What's scary to me is that a lot of people say that native SDK apps will fill the void here (as opposed to "HTML5").
Secondly, the problems with video on the web are still very real and unresolved. Firefox not supporting H.264 is not just some "bug", they are religiously against it. They refuse to put it into versions of Firefox that ship to countries where patents are not enforceable. It seems that the emphasis will be on the developer/user to figure out the story with that (just like before it was up to you to install xvid or quicktime or whatever, this is BAD). While we see this as a neat opportunity to tell developers to do it "the right way", many business will simply ask "why if Flash already works... everywhere... today". And again, no one seems to address the IE issue. If your answer is "not a problem", this thing won't get resolved.
The big conclusion here is not "Flash rocks". Its hey there are some real but tractable problems. Instead of exhausting our energy trying to convince people these problems don't exist or aren't really that much to worry about, lets use it to fix it.
Adobe could fix almost all of this by open sourcing the Flash Player. http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Projects
quote: But what if the source code to Flash Player is — as many would wager — a huge steaming pile of convoluted C++ horseshit? It’s sort of like what if Microsoft open-sourced the Internet Explorer rendering engine. It’s not like anyone who is now using WebKit or Gecko would switch to that just because it was opened — or that WebKit, Mozilla, and Opera would suddenly be obligated to or even interested in adopting IE-specific web features.
http://jilion.com/sublime/video -- a Video player for these approaching Dark Ages
Adobe could fix almost all of this by open sourcing the Flash Player. http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/site/Projects
http://daringfireball.net/2010/02/winer_flash_open_standards quote: But what if the source code to Flash Player is — as many would wager — a huge steaming pile of convoluted C++ horseshit? It’s sort of like what if Microsoft open-sourced the Internet Explorer rendering engine. It’s not like anyone who is now using WebKit or Gecko would switch to that just because it was opened — or that WebKit, Mozilla, and Opera wou…
