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The Story Behind F.lux

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Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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Will it be released as open-source? Doesn't really make sense to develop it as a closed-source application, when the application itself is offered for free, and open source versions exist already.

this is a very small understanding of what they are trying to build.

That's a rather ambiguously worded sentence.

Who lacks understanding of what they're trying to do? I know I do, and that's because they're apparently not making mention of it.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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I have 2 issues with flux, one personal one science related. personal) I'm colorblind and it really messed with my ability to guess at the appropriate colors, and sometimes made it impossible to read text on the screen. (Red on black is hard for me) science) One of their more prominent articles showcases a study of how reading on a stock iPad can mess up your sleep a lot, but reading a book with standard bulb (much w…

Exactly! Furthermore, I wonder if the backlight leakage from an LCD ruins the effect (the reason why a black screen isn't actually dark). None of the studies they cite actually use LCD monitors.

I have a pair of sunglasses that blocks light below 490nm. Even with flux in the "Candle" setting I notice a small difference, so there is definitely some blue leaking.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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Some people, perhaps against their better judgement, like to use screens even as they're getting closer and closer to sleep. Some even use screens in bed. The difference in harshness of a 5800K screen and a 2700K screen is quite easy to feel in an otherwise dark room, late in ones "day", and once you're used to the latter, it is very uncomfortable to look directly at the former. One of them feels better on your eyes…

To clarify, I was speaking to broader claims of people saying f.lux puts them to sleep like a baby and the f.lux authors themselves claiming it as a tool in the fight against cancer and acne. Note that f.lux does not even claim to prevent eyestrain. The closest they come is this: "Our users say that f.lux prevents eyestrain." That's hardly science; in fact it's exactly how shady companies market vitamins. Also, I don…

You see no difference between sitting 0.5 meters away from a screen that's projecting its own light or sitting 15 meters away from a screen that has light projected onto it?

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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There's 29 comments here and every single one is neutral or positive about Flux as an idea. Am I the only one who used it, and hated the fact that my colours were obviously all wrong? Each time I used my computer at night, I noticed that everything was tinted red, and it had no obvious effect on my sleep.

Every time there is a thread about f.lux I get the feeling that I stepped into a cult meeting ;) Maybe it's different if you have trouble sleeping, but it seemed to be completely irrelevant to my sleep and I don't want my screen to look like cheap instagram filter.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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There's 29 comments here and every single one is neutral or positive about Flux as an idea. Am I the only one who used it, and hated the fact that my colours were obviously all wrong? Each time I used my computer at night, I noticed that everything was tinted red, and it had no obvious effect on my sleep.

I used it for well over a year, but I noticed I was always disabling it as soon as it turned on. Eventually, I realised that having an accurate, carefully-calibrated display was pointless if I was going to use f.lux.

I tentatively tried using melatonin tablets instead, and I've found it works really well for me. Set an alarm for about 30-40 minutes before you want to go to sleep, take the tablet (sublingually) when the alarm goes off, and you'll notice you start feeling sleepy right about when you need to fall asleep.

Obviously, this kind of exogenous melatonin intake can only crudely approximate the curves for plasma melatonin levels resulting from endogenous production in the presence of zero artificial light, but using f.lux only removes one source of blue light. Sure, you might feel sleepy staring at your screen, but blue light inhibits melatonin synthesis so strongly you could turn on your bedroom light and have your melatonin production bottom out. IIRC, you can significantly attenuate melatonin production with light levels of ~100 lx, which is comparable to a really dim room. Good luck getting ready for bed in complete darkness.

You also need to titrate your dosage to find the right levels. For me, 0.2-0.5mg is all I need to achieve the necessary sleepiness to motivate me to get to sleep. I can take more with no noticeable effects, but I know others who report headaches the morning after. Also note that the older you are, the less melatonin you need.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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To clarify, I was speaking to broader claims of people saying f.lux puts them to sleep like a baby and the f.lux authors themselves claiming it as a tool in the fight against cancer and acne. Note that f.lux does not even claim to prevent eyestrain. The closest they come is this: "Our users say that f.lux prevents eyestrain." That's hardly science; in fact it's exactly how shady companies market vitamins. Also, I don…

You see no difference between sitting 0.5 meters away from a screen that's projecting its own light or sitting 15 meters away from a screen that has light projected onto it?

A photon is a photon, regardless of whether it's emitted directly or reflected. All that matters is vibration frequency and intensity of the stream of photons.

Do you disagree?

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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Is anyone else puzzled by the idea of f.lux consuming 14 developer years (at least according to the article), it's an awesome app but that seems like a huge number for what it is: a gui interface to a very simple function*. [0] http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/sct-set-color-temperatur...

Quote from interesting page linked in parent post...

"...Now to be fair most of this is the result of OpenBSD ports choosing to build and package optional dependencies, including the GUI..."

I suspect the people who produce and maintain the ports builds are putting all the options in to cover as many use-cases as possible. I've noticed that some OpenBSD ports give alternatives to pick from with different compilation options. I suspect that might be impractical for many choices.

Now I'm wondering if I can build sct.c on the Slackware box and have a play with a bash script setting the colour temp by time of day for current latitude...

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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There's 29 comments here and every single one is neutral or positive about Flux as an idea. Am I the only one who used it, and hated the fact that my colours were obviously all wrong? Each time I used my computer at night, I noticed that everything was tinted red, and it had no obvious effect on my sleep.

Give it time. You'll get used to it after a while, to the point where a couple of weeks later you won't perceive the colors as "wrong" (assuming no other light source in the room). You'll just perceive them as slightly warmer.

It still bothered me after a few weeks, specially since "automatic" setting started making my screen red at like 18:00, more than 6 hours before I usually go to sleep.

It was incredibly annoying :/

Maybe I just didn't see that much benefit because I never look at screens in rooms without additional (yellowish) lighting.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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Give it time. You'll get used to it after a while, to the point where a couple of weeks later you won't perceive the colors as "wrong" (assuming no other light source in the room). You'll just perceive them as slightly warmer.

It still bothered me after a few weeks, specially since "automatic" setting started making my screen red at like 18:00, more than 6 hours before I usually go to sleep. It was incredibly annoying :/ Maybe I just didn't see that much benefit because I never look at screens in rooms without additional (yellowish) lighting.

I customise mine so it's not as red - just apply enough tint to match my lightbulb. Without Flux the screen feels off because every other light source from inside and outside the house has a warm tint; The screen just stands out too much.

But I agree, the default setting is too much.

Re: The Story Behind F.lux

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You see no difference between sitting 0.5 meters away from a screen that's projecting its own light or sitting 15 meters away from a screen that has light projected onto it?

A photon is a photon, regardless of whether it's emitted directly or reflected. All that matters is vibration frequency and intensity of the stream of photons. Do you disagree?

Maybe kungtotte is talking about accommodation or vergence, though I don't see how these are relevant to f.lux or colour temperature.
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