According the the latest news release we should be having a new jihad on salt, damn the lack of evidence.
You’re probably eating too much salt, new guidelines say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/0...
It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
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Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#42Oh good grief. Another article mangling science into sound bites? I particularly enjoy the seemingly wilful conflation with hyponatraemia (too low sodium). > European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine —an excellent measure of prior consumption— the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease Nobody…
> Nobody has ever argued that NO SALT is the right idea.
Some people have been saying exactly that, e.g.: http://www.enformy.com/blog/benefits-of-no-salt-diet.php
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I gotta ask. I don't mean to offend. Keto diet sounds like a good way to lose weight. But does it make ones breath smell?
I can jump in here. I lost 16kg on a ketogenic diet. My gut is a lot happier as evidenced by more regular and better (firm, soft, not runny) bowel movements. There is a definite smell (breath) associated with ketosis. It varies by person but it is often noticeable. I asked my wife to track it as it's very hard to notice it yourself and she says that my system produces a slightly metallic smell the isn't objectively b…
During Ramadan Muslims are not allowed to drink water, right? That probably means their mouth is very dry during the fasting time meaning there's more than usual amount of odor-causing bacteria in their mouth.
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#44Oh good grief. Another article mangling science into sound bites? I particularly enjoy the seemingly wilful conflation with hyponatraemia (too low sodium). > European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine —an excellent measure of prior consumption— the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease Nobody…
> Nobody has ever argued that NO SALT is the right idea. Some people have been saying exactly that, e.g.: http://www.enformy.com/blog/benefits-of-no-salt-diet.php
It's called the "No Salt Diet" but it doesn't actually cut out salt completely. It's more about processed rubbish and vast quantities of added salt.
Either which way, you are probably right. If you look hard enough, there probably is somebody out there saying anything you want. I should adjust the statement to:
> Nobody qualified to talk on the subject has ever ...
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#45The strictly non-commercial, science-based public service called NutritionFacts.org researched the health effects of sodium and published a video two days ago summarising the evidence that salt raises blood pressure.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-evidence-that-salt-raise...
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#46Oh good grief. Another article mangling science into sound bites? I particularly enjoy the seemingly wilful conflation with hyponatraemia (too low sodium). > European researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine —an excellent measure of prior consumption— the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease Nobody…
I think I agree with you about the quality of the science journalism here[1], but I thought the actual text wasn't as sensational as you're making it out to be, despite the title.
I didn't read it as a call for completely reversing dietary policy on salt immediately. I think it was a call to end a crusade that isn't supported by a compelling body of evidence. It seems clear that better controlled studies are needed.
[1]I spent a few minutes on google scholar trying to find the paper you called out (mostly because I wanted to know if the study actually entails hypo atresia--the linked article doesn't mention it). I haven't been able to find it yet. I'm disappointed that something published in Scientific American has such inadequate citations...
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#47As someone who eats strictly keto (low-carb/high-fat), I actually have to make a concerted effort to get enough salt in my diet due to my naturally retaining less water than non-keto people. This includes making somewhat high-salt food choices wherever reasonable — bacon, pickles, salted butter, cooking with salt in general, etc. — as well as actually adding a salt/electrolyte solution to the water I drink throughout…
As someone who eats strictly keto (low-carb/high-fat), How much time have you been doing it?
About two years now, and I'd been doing it less strictly / on-and-off for a year and a half before that.
I've definitely noticed feeling much more focused and productive since starting, and it also helped with dropping from 210 to a bit over 150 pounds in the first few months of 2014.
Also anecdotal, my cofounder at my current startup Cyph has been on keto for close to a year now, and in that time has had a heart condition almost entirely vanish and his body fat drop to something like 6%.
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#48To me, the story of salt strongly highlights the difference between science (as in, the results of scientific experiments and careful reasoning), and "science", the things the general public is told science has found by journalists and policymakers. Not only was there was never a strong scientific basis for telling people to reduce their salt intake, my anecdotal observation is that it's fairly easy to wind up salt-d…
It's a public health thing, no? If they tell 10,000 people to decrease their salt intake, they've saved (made up figure) 10 lives. So they say everyone decrease salt, rather than the more nuanced message which is "Salt might be dangerous for some people."
> ...the less sodium that study subjects excreted in their urine—an excellent measure of prior consumption—the greater their risk was of dying from heart disease
When you have no idea about the consequences of an act, the right thing to do is not to go out and tell everyone to do it.
How many of the 10,000 are you endangering by cutting their sodium intake? Worse yet, you are not cutting their potassium intake. What long term consequences will it have on their muscular and nervous systems? Nobody seems to know.
And the point is moot anyway. It's not like we can't detect sodium sensitivity. In fact, it's almost certainly easier to discover who those 10 people are than to get the population to reduce their sodium intake.
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#49There's a war on salt? Whole foods has an entire wall of salt. There are entire physical and online stores selling nothing but salts.
Sea salt? Would you like it from France, Alaska, or Iceland? How about colored salt? Pink from the Himalayas, green jasmine salt, blue salt that I'm not sure where it's from. Smoked salt?
Salt bath scrubs? Salt bars for cleansing? Heck, you can even buy a salt lamp.
Re: It's Time to End the War on Salt (2011)
#50There's a war on salt? Whole foods has an entire wall of salt. There are entire physical and online stores selling nothing but salts. Sea salt? Would you like it from France, Alaska, or Iceland? How about colored salt? Pink from the Himalayas, green jasmine salt, blue salt that I'm not sure where it's from. Smoked salt? Salt bath scrubs? Salt bars for cleansing? Heck, you can even buy a salt lamp .
A war by doctors, not businesses. I'd consider it "common knowledge" that salt raises blood pressure and that you should eat less salt if you have high blood pressure. My father and at least a couple other 50+ year old people I know try to limit their salt intake for health reasons.