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How we fought bad ads in 2015

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Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#121

Christ people, shut up about adblockers. We get it, you use one. Congratulations, I don't care. But stop spamming every article related to ads with comments about it. Half of HN readers work in a company powered by ad-tech and some of us actually want discussion about the article in question.

I work in AdTech and find it hilariously ironic that you're finding the constant and unmitigated discussion of adblockers in an article that discusses the constant and unmitigated flow of malvertising and dark patterns.

We built this prison.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#122

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> a solid pro-ad argument, but I've yet to find one. That's because there is no argument to be had. Ads subsidize the vast majority of content on the internet, full stop. Just as they did TV stations before cable. That content wasn't free, those ad companies paid for their ad spots, which paid for those television shows. The same is true for the internet, without ads, the internet would look very, very different. Wit…

"...essentially all of the ad supported sites I visit are diversions" - https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/AdSupportedWebD... > ads subsidize the vast majority of content on the internet, full stop And most of that content is bullshit. I wouldn't miss most of the ad-based sites. Most of the "innovation" is bullshit. I disagree that we'd go back to the mid-90's setup, but I'd even prefer that to what it is t…

Nobody is forcing you to experience that content. You on the other hand have decided that content I might like is bullshit. That is not your call.

Seriously, let people be.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#123

Christ people, shut up about adblockers. We get it, you use one. Congratulations, I don't care. But stop spamming every article related to ads with comments about it. Half of HN readers work in a company powered by ad-tech and some of us actually want discussion about the article in question.

I work in AdTech and find it hilariously ironic that you're finding the constant and unmitigated discussion of adblockers in an article that discusses the constant and unmitigated flow of malvertising and dark patterns. We built this prison.

Bravo.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#124
It's not clear that Google are taking this tack, but, as with content, I feel it's time to introduce the concept to the Web.

Author and publisher accountability.

Advertising providers, and advertising publishers, who forward "bad ads" are given a time-out.

Perhaps 10 minutes for the first instance, but increasing durations for repeat ocurrences. Days, weeks, and months for gratuitious violations.

Ad providers and publishers who find they're being timed out for violating standards are, likely, going to clean up their acts, and find ways to ensure that mistakes don't happen. Including direct vetting of content -- on their own if not by Google.

This is in Google's interest, because, as with others on this thread, the way I fought bad ads in 2015 was to install 60,000 lines plus of /etc/hosts entries, uBlock origin, Ghostery, Privacy Badger, uMatrix, and, for added pleasure, Styleish, to rewrite site CSS myself. On all my own platforms.

And across the desktops of users I administer for.

Virtually all advertising is worthless, targeted advertising doubly so, and Google are in for hurt if they cannot reverse this perception. Meantime they're best positioned to buy themselves a few more years of time.

The other end they could try fixing is to make the results of directed product search -- that activity that happens when people are actively seeking products or services -- not suck as abysmally bad as it does now. Boot camp for vendors of how you should, and shouldn't, write ad copy, take product images, etc., might not be out of the question. Not that Google's to blame for all of this (not in the least) -- Amazon's product search pages are as bad as any I've seen online (Ikea, by contrast, does well, the moreso because they showed me what I wanted to look for at the store).

Or maybe it's time for a true Federated Retail initiative.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#125

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"...essentially all of the ad supported sites I visit are diversions" - https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/AdSupportedWebD... > ads subsidize the vast majority of content on the internet, full stop And most of that content is bullshit. I wouldn't miss most of the ad-based sites. Most of the "innovation" is bullshit. I disagree that we'd go back to the mid-90's setup, but I'd even prefer that to what it is t…

Nobody is forcing you to experience that content. You on the other hand have decided that content I might like is bullshit. That is not your call. Seriously, let people be.

I'm not saying you can't like that content, nor support it if you want. I'm not even sure where you got that from. I'm saying that I'm not going to support it. I don't get what your comment it supposed to address?

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

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post #114

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Theses aren't Google Ads. It's interesting that you thought they are. What made you think that?

Google's buttons are in the top right of the ads. Clicking on them will send you to a Google page about their ad program.

I'm on mobile so I get Yahoo ads(!), but that icon looks like the IAB AdChoices icon to me: http://rocketfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/adchoicediagram.jpg

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's buttons are in the top right of the ads. Clicking on them will send you to a Google page about their ad program.

I'm on mobile so I get Yahoo ads(!), but that icon looks like the IAB AdChoices icon to me: http://rocketfuel.com/wp-content/uploads/adchoicediagram.jpg

That's really strange because clicking on that icon does send me to a Google page. You can see the website here: http://download.cnet.com/Google-Chrome/3000-2356_4-75205983....

The website even claims the symbol is Google's: http://imgur.com/tWV4ROd

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#128

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> It's a butterfly effect on a massive scale - you remove ads from the equation, the majority of what we know as the internet goes with it because they're directly responsible for the bulk of the innovation. And I say, bring it on. Majority of the Internet is crap. It'll be better to see it go. Most content that's actually valuable is treated either as a loss leader or simply cost to be covered from external sources.…

If you think the majority of the internet is crap, then don't use it. I think Gizmodo is crap, so I don't read it. But Gizmodo's existence doesn't bother me.

I don't use it either. The point is - I don't buy the "Internet will die without ads" argument. What will die is the (what I consider) crap part. So I say, let it die.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#129

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As someone who tangentially works in the industry, you couldn't be more wrong. Ads literally subsidize the vast majority of content you consume on the internet. More importantly, ads subsidize and promote innovation. Without ads, we wouldn't have sites like youtube, facebook, reddit or pretty much every website that doesn't rely on donations (wikipedia, etc). It's interesting just how much of a disconnect young peopl…

I'd be totally OK with all that subsidy going away if it meant we didn't have to deal with ads anymore. We'll figure it out. People would put more effort into peer-to-peer sharing networks if it weren't for the fact that ad-subsidized "free" services based on giant datacenters are so good at undercutting them.

You're missing the point, perhaps missing the scale. You don't understand just how vital ads are to the internet.

Content itself wouldn't exist for you to view. There would be very little (nothing at all) for you to P2P. The internet would essentially be the IRC. People don't write in-depth articles for the hell of it. They expect to get paid.

Re: How we fought bad ads in 2015

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who tangentially works in the industry, you couldn't be more wrong. Ads literally subsidize the vast majority of content you consume on the internet. More importantly, ads subsidize and promote innovation. Without ads, we wouldn't have sites like youtube, facebook, reddit or pretty much every website that doesn't rely on donations (wikipedia, etc). It's interesting just how much of a disconnect young peopl…

Without ads we would have developed alternative revenue streams or different styles of architecture which don't place all of the costs and power in the lap of centralised organisations. Ads have crippled innovation on the Internet, not promoted it.

> Ads have crippled innovation on the Internet, not promoted it.

The internet itself wouldn't even exist without ads. So your premise is wrong. Ads are the biggest driver of innovation on the internet right now. Inherently so. Because people want to get paid so they get more and more creative. Everything from youtube videos to web content, to science articles. They all flourish and exist because of ads, not because of your make believe hypothetical solution. You know, the one that is still not invented, nor have you even explained it. If such a solution was possible, we'd be using that instead. Until then, let's stick to reality, thanks.

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