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The complications of nutrition science

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Re: The complications of nutrition science

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Honeydew isn't tit secretion, it's vomit/shit. And how can a symbiosis of ants and aphids be a parallel for humans and cows. We do not protect cows from their predators, we slit their throats and they know that that's coming. We also do not eat cow's shit. Hilarious parallel. When did we ever in history of our evolution have a need for another mammal's milk? From an evolutionary perspective, from a perspective of nat…

Honeydew isn't tit secretion, it's vomit/shit Choose one phony analogy at a time, willya? Point being, ants keep aphids as livestock: they are captives, herded, controlled, denied free will and their preferred environment, and exploited for food products. The ethical questions are exactly parallel. We do not protect cows from their predators In your universe, sheepdogs, cattle dogs, and other shepherd dogs don't exis…

I never mentioned dairy. You mentioned a half-assed parallel, and it is, and I pointed out every single bit that stinks in it, I do not give a damn about slaughter. I wasn't sure if aphids shit honeydew, or if they vomit it out through mouth. So, pick an analogy you know that makes sense to you, because you've obviously capable of equating an ant with a human and raise a silly ethical question.

I asked you what about 75% herbivores, you cherry picked.

> yet indigenous peoples all over the world independently developed diets with dairy, from central Africa to Mongolia to neolithic Britain to Sinai to Mesopotamia and India.

Yeah, people are known to be very smart and very natural. Lets cherry pick again, people have developed weapons to hunt animals with, but then used them to kill humans. People developed technology to kill animal efficiently with it, then they used the same techniques on humans. I guess we are so smart and natural and it makes sense to do it because everyone did it. We all know what they did when they did that, they raised their utility function. At some point it was a rational decision, at another it stopped being.

Sorry, but this discussion is over, if you aren't kind and compassionate, if you do not value human life, if you do not think that values of the theory of evolution matter, then go keep raising that utility function, I entirely understand your viewpoint and with that there's nothing to discuss.

Re: The complications of nutrition science

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Via negativa: Avoid what is most likely bad (food processed by industry, sodas, excess sugar, excess salt, trans fat and food blogs). Beyond that there isn't too much you can do.

So avoid all animal products, then? Trans fat are found in all of them.

Trans fats are way more prevalent in hydrogenated vegetable oils that try to look like animal fat replacements. They are simply much cheaper to manufacture.

Example: margarine 15g v.s. real butter 3.3g for each 100g of product.

Re: The complications of nutrition science

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we're not talking about evolution

Oh, so you are talking about change of the species without evolution?

We're talking about giving time for harmful effects to manifest themselves. If you are going to eat a diet which does not resemble what the human body evolved to deal with, then at least follow something that resembles what has been available to your kin for countless generations. If you start consuming brand new diets (not just in terms of the substances and nutrients they contain, but the concentration and dosage and regularity) you're much more exposed to potential harm.

Re: The complications of nutrition science

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Oh, so you are talking about change of the species without evolution?

We're talking about giving time for harmful effects to manifest themselves. If you are going to eat a diet which does not resemble what the human body evolved to deal with, then at least follow something that resembles what has been available to your kin for countless generations. If you start consuming brand new diets (not just in terms of the substances and nutrients they contain, but the concentration and dosage a…

But we are doing a brand new diet. About 2000-10000 years ago human diet consisted of around 80% animal flesh.

Re: The complications of nutrition science

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We're talking about giving time for harmful effects to manifest themselves. If you are going to eat a diet which does not resemble what the human body evolved to deal with, then at least follow something that resembles what has been available to your kin for countless generations. If you start consuming brand new diets (not just in terms of the substances and nutrients they contain, but the concentration and dosage a…

But we are doing a brand new diet. About 2000-10000 years ago human diet consisted of around 80% animal flesh.

Citation?

Besides, when I said brand new I meant things which have emerged in the last 150 years, especially highly processed foods.

Re: The complications of nutrition science

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So avoid all animal products, then? Trans fat are found in all of them.

Trans fats are way more prevalent in hydrogenated vegetable oils that try to look like animal fat replacements. They are simply much cheaper to manufacture. Example: margarine 15g v.s. real butter 3.3g for each 100g of product.

Agreed, hydrogenated oils - whether from vegetables or ruminants - all seem to have adverse health effects. But to keep things in perspective, margarine is #3 in the list of top sources, after (presumably non-vegan) baked goods and animal products - http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/ch...
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