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Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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> I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. Yikes. You need to get out more, visit more places in America.

Out of curiosity, besides other large cities like NYC, LA, Chicago where have you experienced a large portion of people from around the world?

Miami.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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“There are not a lot of people of color in the Valley—and that, by itself, makes it kind of unwelcoming” Oh I forgot, us Asians don't when it comes to people of color or diversity.

You do know that "people of color" doesn't refer to Asians, correct? It's primarily African-Americans.

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> America is undisputedly the best country at assimililating immigrants. > It comes from doing it for centuries. We are one of the only countries with complete mixed ethnicities > and a strong nationality. I'll dispute that. In my experience, Brazil is a better melting pot. Anecdotal example: In Brazil, you don't see people claiming they are Irish when their families have lived in the US for generations.

>Anecdotal example: In Brazil, you don't see people claiming they are Irish when their families have lived in the US for generations. That is actually the key to Americas success. The total separation of ethnicity and national identity. It allows an immigrant to keep their ethnic identity and merely add an American one. It's also helps when a white 5th generation american thinks they are Irish and American. They'll b…

I disagree completely, I think that type of attitude leads to the notion of "Real" Americans. Keeping the ethnic identity is the opposite of the melting pot.

In Brazil, you're just Brazilian, regardless of color.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Well I'm not an expert but it seems to me that in France we expect minorities to leave a good part of their culture and become "real french", eat cheese, wear beret and never walk without a baguette under their arms, whereas in the US I was under the impression that there's a lot more effort from minorities to differentiate themselves. I don't think we can really talk of a "black culture" in France (at least not in t…

+1 I see where you're coming from now. You're right about America and the culture of minorities, but in the melting pot, that's how everyone kind of is. We all feel like we have to be someone in America. It's impossible to just be American since there's really no such thing. The traditional American is a mid-western cowboy and that doesn't really apply to people on either coast.

Exactly -- French people are the "indigenous people" of France. The "indigenous people" where I'm from are the Tohono O'odham. I've never met a Tohono O'odham person, so it's safe to say their impact on culture is minor.

Thus, it's wrong to separate the US into "indigenous" and "foreign" in a way that makes sense in France (where French==indigenous). It's especially wrong to do so and then magically declare that Anglo-Saxons are the "indigenous" group that everyone else should try to be like.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Wasn't the hero of the last Star Wars movies black?

The hero is a white woman - Finn is a bumbling sidekick.

No He's the young inexperienced hero starting out just like Luke was.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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It often seems like the people writing this articles don't realize that preferring your own race is racism, no matter what race that is. If she feels that she doesn't fit in because there aren't enough people like her (black), that's just as racist as white people not wanting to hang out with blacks because they're not white.

Haven't you heard that racism = power + prejudice, so black people by definition can't be racist because they don't have power? (This is not an opinion that I agree with, but a lot of people actually think that way).

It has to do with the concept of "structural" racism, as opposed to plain bigotry, which can be done by anyone. Structural racist aspects are related to society/institutions, which is shaped by the majority.

While I understand the critique, I disagree with the academic terminology, and think insisting on it leads to misinformed intepretations of others' arguments, like saying "black people by definition can't be racist".

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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> One senior, Sarah Jones, ... “There are not a lot of people of color in the Valley—and that, by itself, makes it kind of unwelcoming." This statement may be true if "people of color" means African American. Otherwise, it is just not the fact. I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. I've seen people all over the wrold here: Asian, Latino, European,…

Yea, that was a head scratcher. Where are these places with all white people? Because looking around at my current team, I'm one of two white guys, and there's a white woman, the remaining 20 or so are all either of south-east Asian or Chinese descent. My previous company was probably 75% Chinese, 20% Indian, and maybe 1% white. Prior to that, my company was a bit whiter, but 60%+ were foreign nationals. It gets to t…

None of those races count as minorities in these types of arguments. Only blacks, latinos, and LGBT do.

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those are basically the same thing to put it another way: if your white friends grew up watching spongebob squarepants and you grew up without cable, that could certainly make a cultural difference

They aren't though. Color isn't the defining factor on what TV shows you get to watch.

What makes you think it isn't.

Well, not "color" in the electromagnetic radiation sense, but "cultural group". Turns out, the latter is strongly correlated with the former.

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I've met Germans who said they wished they had only ever learned English and not German.

German is better for philosophy and technical use, except in the edge cases of much longer words IMO. (I'm English.)

This is a discredited line of thinking among professional/academic linguists.

In the modern understanding, languages become able to express ideas when their speech communities need to express those ideas.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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What about finn's character is bumbling?

Rather than list attributes consistent with "bumbling" it would be better if you compared Finn to other prominent black characters in Star Wars: Mace Windu? Master of the Jedi high council. Lando Calrissian? Permed out badass who is in charge of Cloud City Vader? The original voice actor was black but does anything else need to be said? Can Finn really compare to any of these? Is he a hero I can personally identify w…

That's a very interesting perspective. Personally I thought Finn was the most "normal" character in that film (meaning the one most like us). He's just a child soldier that not only found a way out of it but he worked his way to the rebellion, with no "destiny" or the Force.

IMO he doesn't have to be rich like Lando or powerful like Windu. He just has to be cool and portrayed positively, and I think he is. If he was like Jar Jar then yes, I'd complain.

Either way, we went from tech diversity to Star Wars, so maybe we should stop here :-)

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