Whole-food plant-based vegan here. Life is good. Energy is high.
How do you get your B vitamins (including B12), Iron, enough protein to maintain muscle, etc?
Confessions of a Paleo Diet Pioneer
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#12Whole-food plant-based vegan here. Life is good. Energy is high.
How do you get your B vitamins (including B12), Iron, enough protein to maintain muscle, etc?
Vegan here - I take a sub-lingual Methylcobalamin B12 vitamin. Iron is had from a variety of foods, lentils and spinach especially come to mind. With regard to protein, there is an ample amount (~10%) in all whole plant foods which doesn't make this a practical concern.
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#13The evidence for plant-based, low-fat vegan diets seems more convincing to me. Is there a paleo version of http://nutritionfacts.org - complete with direct links or citations to research supporting the proposed way to eat? I'm not trying to be snarky, but rather genuinely curious what scientific basis this diet really has. The article says we're wise to limit saturated fat intake and increase fibre intake, but isn't…
If you like nutritionfacts.org, you may be interested to know Greger wrote a book which is well referenced:
http://www.amazon.com/How-Not-Die-Discover-Scientifically/dp...
Also, there was a recent article on Vox talking about why nutrition research is so hard to do:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/14/10760622/nutrition-science-comp...
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#14Whole-food plant-based vegan here. Life is good. Energy is high.
Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? What made you take up veganism? I've been considering it for a while, I had a realization while eating a slice of salami a few weeks ago and I realized something had to die for me to eat it and it made me feel bad.
Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you spend more on food than you did as a non-vegan? What made you take up veganism? I've been considering it for a while, I had a realization while eating a slice of salami a few weeks ago and I realized something had to die for me to eat it and it made me feel bad.
Plants have to die too in order for you to eat them generally.
Especially when the animals are fed them in amounts many times greater than could be fed to humans directly.
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#16> Most humans have to avoid dairy; many must avoid wheat. Find out if you’re one of them. And how do I find out if I have to avoid dairy or wheat ? Last year I stopped eating them for a couple of months but didn't see a notable difference in my general well being.
The problem is simple carbs and addiction to sugar. Try ween of simple carbs and excess sugar. Veggies and meat / fish. Takes about 6 months to get off and get used not eating or very little amounts of simple carbs and little sugar. Also try intermitting fasting. Works for me. I feel great and workout / cross fit daily with my first meal around 2pm and last meal around 7-8pm
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#18> Most humans have to avoid dairy; many must avoid wheat. Find out if you’re one of them. And how do I find out if I have to avoid dairy or wheat ? Last year I stopped eating them for a couple of months but didn't see a notable difference in my general well being.
The problem is simple carbs and addiction to sugar. Try ween of simple carbs and excess sugar. Veggies and meat / fish. Takes about 6 months to get off and get used not eating or very little amounts of simple carbs and little sugar. Also try intermitting fasting. Works for me. I feel great and workout / cross fit daily with my first meal around 2pm and last meal around 7-8pm
Your answer to "how do I find out if I have to avoid dairy or wheat?" is to ween off of simple carbs and sugar?
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#19> Most humans have to avoid dairy; many must avoid wheat. Find out if you’re one of them. And how do I find out if I have to avoid dairy or wheat ? Last year I stopped eating them for a couple of months but didn't see a notable difference in my general well being.
If you noticed no difference, that seems like a good sign it might be alright for you. That said, based on people I know, those who should not be eating dairy or wheat get various levels of intestinal distress if they do; it's pretty obvious. But most importantly, consult a doctor or other medical professional if you need more information.
it's pretty obvious
this is what I don't get: author says most should avoid dairy, you (and others) say it's easy to recognize problems with eating it. Yet the vast majority of all people I know have no problems with dairy whatsoever. So is the author wrong, does he mean something else, do I live with people who can't recognize problems originating from dairy use or do I live with a special subgroup of people who all happen to have no problem with dairy?
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#20I've always appreciated Michael Pollan's essay (and books) on this subject. His advice can be summed up as "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." [1] In his books he argues strongly against the nutritionist strategy of trying to separate out the healthy components of foods from the foods themselves. For example, I know many nutritionists who take vitamins, but Pollan points out when you take the Vitamin C without the orange we normally get it from, you loose all that dietary fiber. This is what he means by "eat food."
Along these lines, while I have many quibbles with the paleo diet's recommendations, my biggest complain is calling it "paleo." The paleolithic era of human history lasted from 2.5 million years ago to 10,0000 years ago [2], when agriculture took over and we adapted to an entirely new diet. Almost nothing we eat today existed 3,000-10,000 years ago: corn was just grass, tomatoes were berries, lettuce was weeds, and all animal-food sources were free-range, tough to chew, and gamey in flavor. One of the starkest examples of this for me is the peach, which was mostly just a pit with no meat until generations of farmers spent 6,000 years turning it into the meaty succulent fruit we know today [3]. Our paleolithic ancestors spent all day nibbling on seeds, berries, various leaves, and insects trying to just stay alive; our agrarian ancestors transformed the Earth into the relative paradise of bountiful fruits, vegetables, and livestock that theologians would later attribute to gods.
This said, I appreciate that this author is speaking out against the high-carb, high-sugar foodstuffs corporations are pouring into us by adding sugar and salt to EVERYTHING. The key quote in this essay is, "Recent data on these issues make me more comfortable today saying what not to eat." I think we all need to start pushing back as consumers against the sugar, salt, and simple carbohydrates the food manufacturers engineer into everything we eat to addict our brains and keep us coming back for more.
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t....
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic
[3] https://jameskennedymonash.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/artifici...