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Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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Silicon Valley would rather hire foreigners than hire black Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/technology/silicon-valley-... ...

"Google revealed that its tech work force was 1 percent black, compared with 60 percent white. Yahoo disclosed in July that African-Americans made up 1 percent of its tech workers while Hispanics were 3 percent."

Affirmative Action has worked in other industries.

Why does it fail in Silicon Valley?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

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post #9

> One senior, Sarah Jones, ... “There are not a lot of people of color in the Valley—and that, by itself, makes it kind of unwelcoming." This statement may be true if "people of color" means African American. Otherwise, it is just not the fact. I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. I've seen people all over the wrold here: Asian, Latino, European,…

There's a lot of caveats to that statement.

Within the Bay Area itself there's plenty of segregation: anecdotally, I noticed relatively few Indians living in Palo Alto and working at startups; most live in MV/Sunnyvale/Fremont and worked in larger companies like Cisco and Oracle. I'm not making the claim that this segregation is externally-driven, it's just that there "are people all over the world" doesn't tell the full story. Having worked in both Toronto and New York, both cities have noticeably more diverse workplaces and neighbourhoods.

That said, while in the Bay Area I never felt my skills as an engineer were questioned because of my background. I really appreciated that.

note: edited for grammar

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#53
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it really shocking as well. Not sure how much of it is due to segregation and how much - due to the inability of the person to socialise… which is not uncommon among technical people from all races.

That is what is so hard about it. Everybody gets treated unfairly from time to time, feels awkward, etc. When you are "black" you don't know the line between racism and man's general inhumanity towards man.

Lack of smalltalk topics is hardly an "inhumanity".

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#54
post #4

I would say some of the students in the article probably aren't SV material - "They’d begun studying computer science in college"? So you've been involved with computers for 4 whole years and you think you're qualified for a top tier job? I'm sure not all of the students only started in college - I'm also not naive enough to think there isn't prejudice in SV, but didn't start until college...

I think its kinda ridiculous to say that to be 'SV material' you need to have started studying CS before college

I think it depends on what part of Silicon Valley you're aiming for. A lot of the big-name places seem to be weird and incredibly theory/algorithms-heavy, whereas most other places being good at organizing systems is more important. But go too far down the scale and you'll find lot of the small startups need you to have context across the entire stack - you might be doing Ruby one moment, CSS the next, then BGP configuration for your cloud gateway after that. Places that are medium-small to large-but-unsexy can provide more of the entry-level experience. (Not a lot of them are really good, though, so you can't always expect to stay working there forever.)

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#55
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People of lower economic circumstances may not have had access to computers prior to college.

In 1990? Likely. In 2010? This article is supposed to be about US, not a third-world country, right?

Did you not realize that US education is on par with a third world country in a lot of regions?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#56
post #18

"as the only African American on her team, she didn’t feel she had much in common with her colleagues. “When I went out to lunch or something with my team, it was sort of like, ‘Soooo, what are you guys talking about?’ ” she says" I find this sentence really shocking, perhaps because I'm french and in France we try to assimilate people more (I don't really know), but I would definitely think that as a white software…

I found it shocking too. If she didn't have much in common with her colleagues, is that really because she was a black woman and they were white males? It makes me think I don't understand the importance of race in US.

I mean, I have more or less things in common with my work colleagues but only because we work in the same field not because we're white males (actually I am Spanish and they're British, and the age range in the team goes from early 20s to late 30s).

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#57
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea. I don't like the way they use it. Asians and Indians get considered white if they don't fit in the specific narrative, an author wants to tell. I also don't like the idea, that liking pokemon or star wars makes you "white". There is something wrong with this,I can't seem to put into words.

Wasn't the hero of the last Star Wars movies black?

Also, like, have you noticed the president of the United States?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#58
post #9

> One senior, Sarah Jones, ... “There are not a lot of people of color in the Valley—and that, by itself, makes it kind of unwelcoming." This statement may be true if "people of color" means African American. Otherwise, it is just not the fact. I do think, through my personal experience, the Valley is probably the most diverse place that I have been. I've seen people all over the wrold here: Asian, Latino, European,…

There's a lot of caveats to that statement. Within the Bay Area itself there's plenty of segregation: anecdotally, I noticed relatively few Indians living in Palo Alto and working at startups; most live in MV/Sunnyvale/Fremont and worked in larger companies like Cisco and Oracle. I'm not making the claim that this segregation is externally-driven, it's just that there "are people all over the world" doesn't tell the…

May be because it's much harder for startups to sponsor visas, and they don't have oversea offices to transfer people from?

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#59
post #18

"as the only African American on her team, she didn’t feel she had much in common with her colleagues. “When I went out to lunch or something with my team, it was sort of like, ‘Soooo, what are you guys talking about?’ ” she says" I find this sentence really shocking, perhaps because I'm french and in France we try to assimilate people more (I don't really know), but I would definitely think that as a white software…

Things like this can really vary on a company to company basis. Back-to-back, I worked for two companies that had drastically different social environments.

At the first one, the other programmers were the kind of "dudes" where if you don't like to hunt or talk about sports every day they didn't want to talk to you. It was a really rough place to work, felt like I was walking on eggshells just so I could be one of their peers.

The next company I worked for had a completely different environment. I got along with everyone. They all had a good sense of humor.

So, I guess my point is, even software engineers can differ greatly from one place to the next.

Re: Silicon Valley and Black Coders: Howard University fights to join the tech boom

#60
Let's assume there is this black guy / girl sitting in the interview room with you. You (white) are asking interview questions and you soon realise that the person you are interviewing is excellent. But something is off, you can't really put your finger on it. What do you do?
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