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2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

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Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

#31
Ah yes, an El Nino "this proves global warming" versus a La Nina "weather is not climate" year.

I hate that this is the narrative. Can people just ... stop doing this? Maybe? If you try to use the "record breaking heat, it was warm this one year" argument to argue for acceptance of theories of climate change you are only going to be hoist by your own petard a few years later when natural weather cycles result in record breaking cold years. It's the wrong playing field to be on.

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#32
Nuclear Power, until those who care about the environment accept that the only clean at scale power solution for base load is nuclear power we will get no where. "Renewables" are great and should be in the mix but they are not an at scale solution.

http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/images/ghgemissions/source...

By going mostly electric for our transportation and nuclear for power generation we could really make a dent in 58% of this pie.

There are people who simultaneous worry a tremendous amount about global warming who will actively protest against nuclear power.

All while an extremely large amount of pollution is being burned all around us. Be reasonable we need a now solution or there wont be a when.

Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

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post #21

Wasn't clear to me if 2015 would have been hotter than 2014 had it not been an El Niño year.

The graphs here show that in 2015 every month was warmer than 2014 apart from April.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/hottest-year-on-record/

So the question is when did the effects of El Niño start having an impact in 2015? Unless it was significant for almost the whole year, it would still have been a record without it.

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#35
There is a 10F difference in temperature between my upstairs and downstairs without any heat turned on. There is a 4F difference in temperature between the front of the house and the back of my house.

There are so many factors as to how temperature is calculated, how exactly can we take a temperature today and compare it to values from years ago? I'll buy that satellite imaging will produce values that are useful over large areas, but those only go back 20-30 years. To compare against values before that seems like pseudoscience at best.

Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

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post #21

Wasn't clear to me if 2015 would have been hotter than 2014 had it not been an El Niño year.

>2015’s sharp spike in temperatures was aided by a strong El Nino weather pattern late in the year that caused ocean waters in the central Pacific to heat up. But the unusual warming started early and steadily gained strength in a year in which ten of 12 months set all-time records, scientists said.

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I live in one of those "Record Warmest" boxes, it really was hot during the past year. Its funny how people you would consider uneducated and poor in my country would understand that there is clearly something going wrong with the world around us, while some people with lots of money, influence and education choose to believe that this is all a conspiracy by a foreign government. It's just nuts, really, something is…

>I live in one of those "Record Warmest" boxes, it really was hot during the past year. You can sense a 0.23 degree F average temperature difference? Or maybe you are unhelpfully confusing weather with climate?

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Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

#38

I live in one of those "Record Warmest" boxes, it really was hot during the past year. Its funny how people you would consider uneducated and poor in my country would understand that there is clearly something going wrong with the world around us, while some people with lots of money, influence and education choose to believe that this is all a conspiracy by a foreign government. It's just nuts, really, something is…

>> It's just nuts, really, something is terribly wrong with our world, and we need to fix it. You should probably start with developing countries like China and India. The US has been actively reducing its carbon footprint for a while now: Energy related carbon emissions in the United States declined by 12% between 2005 and 2012, back to a level not seen since 1994. Per capita emissions fell 17% over the same period,…

Usually countries stop burning coal and use something that emits less CO2 as they develop. Except the US. It's still burning the most coal per capita, by far.

Getting rid of coal is a great place to start.

Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> It's just nuts, really, something is terribly wrong with our world, and we need to fix it. You should probably start with developing countries like China and India. The US has been actively reducing its carbon footprint for a while now: Energy related carbon emissions in the United States declined by 12% between 2005 and 2012, back to a level not seen since 1994. Per capita emissions fell 17% over the same period,…

Per-capita CO2 emissions by countries, 2011: US 17.0t China 6.7t India 1.7t Yeah, we should totally talk to China and India. Source: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?order=wba...

Total CO2 emissions by countries, 2014:

    US 5.3 Gt
    China 10.5 Gt
    India 2.3 Gt
Yeah, China and India are totally relevant to global CO2 emissions. The global climate doesn't give a damn about how many people are responsible for a given quantity of emissions, it's completely and utterly uncaring.

Re: 2015 “smashed” 2014’s global temperature record

#40
Is anyone aware if there is reliable data prior to say 1880? [1] Is there any possibility that large scale climate trends could be outside of the observed window of time available? For instance, some large scale natural state-shifting appears to occur on the order of hundreds of years (reference is about earthquakes, but maybe relevant?) [2].

Based on everything I've heard/read/etc about this, it seems unlikely that humans are not impacting climate, but I get concerned I'm hearing lots of motivated agendas about it rather than facts.

[1] https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land/... [2] http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-...

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