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Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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Well, the NASDAQ[0] and DJIA[1] are both off 3% for the day right now, along with every other index around the world. Or, to talk about price movements that are probably a bit more noteworthy, crude oil futures on NYMEX[2] are down ~7%. It's been kind of a (minor) bloodbath so far in the markets today. So, a 10% drop for a young, growth-oriented company is not terribly surprising on a day like today, I'd think. 0: ht…

Well, for some people, myself included, the not-going-so-well recent IPOs (Square, Box, etc.) would help deflate the pressure on housing prices in SF/BA. I feel for the workers at these company, but it's becoming impossible to raise a family here when the rent/mortgage is creeping up to more than half of most people's salary.

Ha, yes. I don't own a home, but I would like to someday, so I'm always confused how news about falling home prices is treated as "bad" in general in the media. For me, I celebrate the news. I want housing prices to go kaboom so I can afford one.

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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All the food trucks, street and market vendors, estate and yard sales, handymen, etc I see accept credit cards using Square. If they figure out how to hang on to this market and grow as these little vendors grow then they're in good shape. Being down 10% when the Dow is down 400+ points for days on is not unusual. The big question is - who is Square competing with.

There market cap is ~3 Billion which generally suggests a fairly large company. If managed well they can probably grow 10x over the next decade, but that may already be factored into there stock price.

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

#24

All the food trucks, street and market vendors, estate and yard sales, handymen, etc I see accept credit cards using Square. If they figure out how to hang on to this market and grow as these little vendors grow then they're in good shape. Being down 10% when the Dow is down 400+ points for days on is not unusual. The big question is - who is Square competing with.

The big competitors are Shopkeep and Revel. However, neither of them are public and likely aren't going to soon given the state of the industry.

PayPal is in this market as well:

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/credit-card-reader

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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Well, the NASDAQ[0] and DJIA[1] are both off 3% for the day right now, along with every other index around the world. Or, to talk about price movements that are probably a bit more noteworthy, crude oil futures on NYMEX[2] are down ~7%. It's been kind of a (minor) bloodbath so far in the markets today. So, a 10% drop for a young, growth-oriented company is not terribly surprising on a day like today, I'd think. 0: ht…

Tech stocks and small cap stocks tend to have a pretty high beta too, so it's not super surprising that Square's price would exaggerate recent market movements.

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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Interesting that a drop in oil price would correlate. Why is this and how does it impact a completely unrelated industry?

I'm not an economist, but my understanding is that the price of oil does not directly impact the valuation of these companies, per se, but that growth-oriented companies (especially) and oil sales depend on a strong global economy. When the price of oil falls, that indicates that people are pulling back on oil/gas/etc purchases due to constrained budgets, reduced business/operations, etc. (and/or that people buying t…

I'd think its because of the increased supply of oil.

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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For comparison, Paypal is down 5%, Capital One is down 5.24%, Intuit down 2.24%, Visa down 3%, Amazon down 4.4%. Not to say that a 10% drop isn't notable, but the whole market is taking a beating today.

Additional noteworthy drops are Tesla (-5.93%) and Netflix (-7.12%).

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

#28

Well, the NASDAQ[0] and DJIA[1] are both off 3% for the day right now, along with every other index around the world. Or, to talk about price movements that are probably a bit more noteworthy, crude oil futures on NYMEX[2] are down ~7%. It's been kind of a (minor) bloodbath so far in the markets today. So, a 10% drop for a young, growth-oriented company is not terribly surprising on a day like today, I'd think. 0: ht…

Well, for some people, myself included, the not-going-so-well recent IPOs (Square, Box, etc.) would help deflate the pressure on housing prices in SF/BA. I feel for the workers at these company, but it's becoming impossible to raise a family here when the rent/mortgage is creeping up to more than half of most people's salary.

This is a given and has already happened twice in the past 20 years. Housing is in a bubble in the Bay area yet again and history always finds a way to repeat itself. I do think we've learned some and that the economy is stronger now than the previous two crashes, but a 15-30% drop across the board seems reasonable.

Re: Square stock drops 10%, is now less than IPO price

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Square was overvalued at IPO. As for today's drop: the fall in oil has hit everyone, unfortunately Square's fall of around 8% is worse than most. For Example today AMZN saw a drop of around 4% and TSLA is down 5.5%. Don't be wary ;)

Interesting that a drop in oil price would correlate. Why is this and how does it impact a completely unrelated industry?

It's probably not just oil, but rather a general reduction of risk from investors. People are worried about the global economic climate and are pulling their money out of stocks and putting it into more predictable, dependable assets like gold and treasury bonds, which tend to have much lower yields but also much less risk of tanking in value during bad times.
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