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Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by jacquesm »

hapless wrote: post #16

It sounds like their plan is to block all ads, then sell the new ad inventory created by all the blank space on pages. Why on earth would users want this browser?

Well, the logical extension of that is that you actually get paid to browse, that might be a gamechanger.

Keep in mind that the supply side right now ends at the owner of the web property that starts the ball rolling when in fact it actually starts with the person sitting behind the computer looking at the page.

So this is a giant cut-out-the-middle-men opportunity and Eich is fairly uniquely positioned to take advantage of that.

Wonder if that rev-share idea is part of the long term plan.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by jacquesm »

Nursie wrote: post #15
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most annoying thing about ad blocking going mainstream. It was a rare site that bothered to detect us before Apple got into the game.

Personally I think it's very healthy and marks the beginning of the next stage of the web - how does it work in a post-advertising world?

If the various stages of the arms race have been any indication so far it tends to get worse rather than better with every stage so far, which does not lead me to believe there will be a 'post advertising world', only a 'more annoying and harder to get rid of / ignore advertising world'.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by srpeck »

_urga wrote: post #7

I would much prefer a new browser that makes true native web apps possible with a one-click install to indicate trust. A browser built with Electron that exposes Node.js and otherwise keeps away from the HTML5 kitchen sink, in order to push innovation away from the spec committees and back out to the community. Vital technology like TCP, UDP, DNS, and the filesystem is being locked up behind a fascade of poorly imple…

Agreed on the idea, not necessarily the implementation. I have 2 modes when browsing - reading (docs, news, etc.) or using an application (Gmail, banking, etc.). I do not want to download a >2MB application just to read 1000 words (hence why I wrote this Chrome extension https://github.com/srpeck/readingmode). And when I am using a web application, I would like more say over what it can do and when/if I have to update it - more the Chrome app/extension model.

Plus, as a developer I would really like this model, as it allows the browser to open up even more of the operating system functions, especially the file system, leading to less workarounds.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by davnn »

Touche wrote: post #13

The scrolling on this website is janky as hell. Looks like they are using some "Smooth scrolling" plugin that makes scrolling not smooth at all. Not sure why native browser scrolling was insufficient for them, I'm scrolling here in HN all the time and it's perfectly smooth.

True.. smooth scrolling is only useful for the 5% of users that have a broken or bad touchpad. The dev had one of those I guess :-)

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by woah »

Nursie wrote: post #15
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most annoying thing about ad blocking going mainstream. It was a rare site that bothered to detect us before Apple got into the game.

Personally I think it's very healthy and marks the beginning of the next stage of the web - how does it work in a post-advertising world?

Randomized ad unit class names?

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

Its by the same guy who donated to causes doing their best to make sure two people in love can't get married due to their gender. Sociopathy has many forms and its obvious to me that Eich is just an untrustworthy guy with a lot of bad ideas. Low-rent projects like these is just further evidence that you need a founder/leader you can trust. Its clear he's exhausted his social capital and at age 54 is far away from his innovative days. This seems like a low-class cash-in now that ad blocking has gone mainstream, like a world-class athlete now a spokesperson for payday loans or basic car insurance.

Replacing ads with your own is something we fought against ISPs doing, yet somehow when Eich does it, everyone is enamored with it? Come the fuck on. This was a bad idea in the past and its a bad idea now.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Post by matthewtoast »

_urga wrote: post #7

I would much prefer a new browser that makes true native web apps possible with a one-click install to indicate trust. A browser built with Electron that exposes Node.js and otherwise keeps away from the HTML5 kitchen sink, in order to push innovation away from the spec committees and back out to the community. Vital technology like TCP, UDP, DNS, and the filesystem is being locked up behind a fascade of poorly imple…

Are you aware of any existing, serious effort to build such a thing?

I love the idea - and it strongly appeals to me as a developer - but what would make the average user switch to it?

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