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Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by coldpie »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #27
cballard wrote: post #8

This reinforced to me that Adblock is a company, while uBlock Origin is just an open-source project. uBlock doesn't need to go to ad conferences and talk to people, it just filters content. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/blob/master/MANIFESTO.md

And it sometimes bases those filters on personal grudges. Which is why all of SourceForge is blocked by default due to bad behavior last year on a handful of projects out of 400,000 that they discontinued after public outcry. Meaning that there is no forgiveness for giving in to public pressure. At the same time, tons of download sites with all kinds of malware and bundleware are allowed right through.

I don't remember hearing SF apologize for or announce that they're stopping their malware bundling. The sourceforge block is a little extreme, although it's easy to get past it with the big buttons. Overall, I'm OK with punishing that kind of malicious behavior super hard, although I don't feel strongly about it and understand why you object to it.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by coldpie »

meirelles wrote: post #20

I think is understandable IAB's position. The only reason which makes sense to me to pay such high fee to get in is chase some big guys into "acceptable ads" program. Charging money to whitelist is a little questionable attitude to me. Something between hypocrisy and irony.

Reviewing ads to verify that they meet their Acceptable Ads policy takes time. Time is money, so they charge for that time. Seems OK to me.

That said, I use uBlock Origin because I think it's better written and also I morally object to advertising, so there is no such thing as an "acceptable ad" to me.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by marcosdumay »

bainsfather wrote: post #29
elsjaako wrote: post #23

The ad companies simply don't want ABP to come along and tell them stuff they don't want to hear. They also don't want ABP knowing what they are talking about and planning to do. So they used a system to prevent ABP changing their experience. Seems fair enough, nothing hypocritical there.

Selling someone a ticket and listing them as a participant, then later banning them without an explanation, is pretty bad behaviour, no?

Bad behavior, yes. But nothing much different from usual. In fact, much less threatening than their usual behavior.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by coldpie »

cerlone wrote: post #28
chris_wot wrote: post #19

"The IAB Annual Leadership Meeting is for serious conversation among important digital industry stakeholders." Evidently those who prevent any ads from being served by their oh-so "important digital industry stakeholders" won't be part of any "serious conversation". Adblock, and the many others on the market, will continue to do the non-serious work of blocking ads.

I would do the same as IAB. What adblock says to companies is "We feel your advertising is no good so we will blanket block it for millions of viewers a day" HOWEVER, if you contact, let us review your advert and then WE decide it's not a bad add, we'll let it be shown to the millions of visitors that were supposed to see it anyway... We'll just take a percentage of the money. There's certainly a need for this sort o…

Reviewing whether an ad network meets their Acceptable Ads policy takes time. Are you suggesting they should not charge for their time? Or that they should not have an Acceptable Ads policy at all?

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by J_Darnley »

dhimes wrote: post #5
riebschlager wrote: post #3

An organization called the "Interactive Advertising Bureau" should understand better than most that this would be a bad move. They'd have to really try hard to dig their heads deeper into the sand. What's the worst thing that could happen as a result of letting Adblock Plus attend? They'd gain a better understanding or ad-blocking technology? Or maybe get some insight into why so many people feel that ad-blocking is…

From the conference notice front page: Ad blocking is the latest crisis du jour, a potentially existential threat to the industry. I would guess you are correct. What's ironic is that adblock plus understands their value proposition and whitelists advertisers if they are not too shitty. I run Adblock plus for this very reason (as opposed to a less forgiving blocker). Also, they just landed Larry Ellison of Oracle as…

> existential threat to the industry

I can only hope that it is.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by pgkl »

dhimes wrote: post #5
riebschlager wrote: post #3

An organization called the "Interactive Advertising Bureau" should understand better than most that this would be a bad move. They'd have to really try hard to dig their heads deeper into the sand. What's the worst thing that could happen as a result of letting Adblock Plus attend? They'd gain a better understanding or ad-blocking technology? Or maybe get some insight into why so many people feel that ad-blocking is…

From the conference notice front page: Ad blocking is the latest crisis du jour, a potentially existential threat to the industry. I would guess you are correct. What's ironic is that adblock plus understands their value proposition and whitelists advertisers if they are not too shitty. I run Adblock plus for this very reason (as opposed to a less forgiving blocker). Also, they just landed Larry Ellison of Oracle as…

> Also, they just landed Larry Ellison of Oracle as a featured speaker.

Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Lawnmower's can't speak. Lawnmowers just mow the lawn.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by tyingq »

coldpie wrote: post #34
cerlone wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would do the same as IAB. What adblock says to companies is "We feel your advertising is no good so we will blanket block it for millions of viewers a day" HOWEVER, if you contact, let us review your advert and then WE decide it's not a bad add, we'll let it be shown to the millions of visitors that were supposed to see it anyway... We'll just take a percentage of the money. There's certainly a need for this sort o…

Reviewing whether an ad network meets their Acceptable Ads policy takes time. Are you suggesting they should not charge for their time? Or that they should not have an Acceptable Ads policy at all?

I suspect it's the pricing model. Reportedly, the charge is "30% of your ad revenue". There's also no concrete definition of why some sites are whitelisted for free, and others have to pay.

Re: Adblock Plus blocked from attending online ad industry’s big annual conference

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Post by [deleted] »

dhimes wrote: post #5
riebschlager wrote: post #3

An organization called the "Interactive Advertising Bureau" should understand better than most that this would be a bad move. They'd have to really try hard to dig their heads deeper into the sand. What's the worst thing that could happen as a result of letting Adblock Plus attend? They'd gain a better understanding or ad-blocking technology? Or maybe get some insight into why so many people feel that ad-blocking is…

From the conference notice front page: Ad blocking is the latest crisis du jour, a potentially existential threat to the industry. I would guess you are correct. What's ironic is that adblock plus understands their value proposition and whitelists advertisers if they are not too shitty. I run Adblock plus for this very reason (as opposed to a less forgiving blocker). Also, they just landed Larry Ellison of Oracle as…

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