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The Lack of Netiquette

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Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by pyre »

sophacles wrote: post #4

Doesn't a direct link cost more bandwidth? In which case does the one google ad on your site make the difference in cost/income? Further, does the ajaxian style hotlinking -- full credit and source link provided, constitute the same think most people think of for hotlinking (no credit, just images from someone else's site...).

On the other hand, this guy is seriously upset about this, but the Ajaxian staff feel that it's proper to just ignore him completely? Whether this guy has a point or not, ignoring him completely on both occasions (the first one where they didn't even give him attribution) shows that they are just a bunch of assholes.

He also does give an example of another site (Smashing Magazine) seeing the post on Ajaxian and believing that the work was the original work of Ajaxian (or a staff member of Ajaxian) and not the work of the real author, so it seems reasonable for him to be upset about this. Especially since his work seems to only be driving fame/publicity for Ajaxian, and not himself.

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by otakucode »

byrneseyeview wrote: post #8

Here's how their post starts: Román Cortés is having a lot of fun with CSS tricks these days. He just built an example rolling CSS coke can that uses background-attachment, background-position, and a few other tricks to get the effect. No fancy CSS3 needed here! It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It seems even more benig…

>It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue.

Perhaps you missed the quite important point that Ajaxian was using this post to drive traffic to their site effectively and selling advertisements based on its, and not their own, merits? They're not just linking to something and showing it to their users, they're getting his paid-for account to serve the content so that they can make advertising revenue off of his work. I think the ethical issue with such an action should be clear.

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by byrneseyeview »

otakucode wrote: post #12
byrneseyeview wrote: post #8

Here's how their post starts: Román Cortés is having a lot of fun with CSS tricks these days. He just built an example rolling CSS coke can that uses background-attachment, background-position, and a few other tricks to get the effect. No fancy CSS3 needed here! It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It seems even more benig…

>It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. Perhaps you missed the quite important point that Ajaxian was using this post to drive traffic to their site effectively and selling advertisements based on its, and not their own, merits? They're not just linking to something and showing it to their users, they're getting his paid-for…

They promoted him. They showed the same content he did, plus a strong endorsement, minus some of the bandwidth costs.

And he's mad that they might have earned a few dollars from their ads?

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by slavingia »

byrneseyeview wrote: post #8

Here's how their post starts: Román Cortés is having a lot of fun with CSS tricks these days. He just built an example rolling CSS coke can that uses background-attachment, background-position, and a few other tricks to get the effect. No fancy CSS3 needed here! It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. It seems even more benig…

I think that's part of the post that Roman edited. It wasn't like that before.

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by sophacles »

boundlessdreamz wrote: post #9
sophacles wrote: post #4

Doesn't a direct link cost more bandwidth? In which case does the one google ad on your site make the difference in cost/income? Further, does the ajaxian style hotlinking -- full credit and source link provided, constitute the same think most people think of for hotlinking (no credit, just images from someone else's site...).

The satisfaction of getting visitors is very important. Don't read his post as about costs alone. It is more like he paid the costs but got nothing in return. No visitors, exposure or fame :)

I tried to read it like that, but the part where his screenshot of the rickrolling, which includes the whole ajaxian post, has attribution to him, as well as a direct link to his site. Im not sure how that is not exposure/fame.

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by jerf »

byrneseyeview wrote: post #14
otakucode wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. Perhaps you missed the quite important point that Ajaxian was using this post to drive traffic to their site effectively and selling advertisements based on its, and not their own, merits? They're not just linking to something and showing it to their users, they're getting his paid-for…

They promoted him. They showed the same content he did, plus a strong endorsement, minus some of the bandwidth costs. And he's mad that they might have earned a few dollars from their ads?

"They showed the same content he did..."

Yeah... his content. You're begging the question here, casually skipping over the question of whether they can just appropriate it by trying to draw some sort of stretched equality here. There's an enormous difference between him posting his content and them posting his content!

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by Kejistan »

byrneseyeview wrote: post #14
otakucode wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It looks like they gave him full credit for this. Unless he was selling access to this blog post, I'm not sure why this is an issue. Perhaps you missed the quite important point that Ajaxian was using this post to drive traffic to their site effectively and selling advertisements based on its, and not their own, merits? They're not just linking to something and showing it to their users, they're getting his paid-for…

They promoted him. They showed the same content he did, plus a strong endorsement, minus some of the bandwidth costs. And he's mad that they might have earned a few dollars from their ads?

He is angry that they effectively hijacked his bandwidth to earn them revenue off of his work. And all without the courtesy of asking his permission. Twice.

Re: The Lack of Netiquette

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Post by ehsanul »

pmichaud wrote: post #5

This is kind of outrageous. I sort of look at ajaxian as a reliable and interesting source of info on webdev, but now I'm totally turned off. I'll make it a point to not visit. Shame on them.

An apology has since been made in the comments and the post updated to reflect it.
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