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Re: Life is Short

#261

Summary: - Poses the hypothesis that "Life is short" - Proposes an 'objective' basis for this feeling: some of his most meaningful life events happen 8 or less times - Transitions that the shortness of life justifies avoiding "bullshit," while acknowledging that's a loaded term. - Proposes examples of "bullshit," traffic jams, unnecessary meetings, bureaucracy, and arguing online. - Suggests arguing online is an exam…

I'd be curious to understand the downvotes. I felt I gave this essay a very objective treatment.

Probably because HN threads are supposed to be conversations and that kind of summary interrupts a conversation.

Re: Life is Short

#262
Life is too short for us individually. But I think it is interesting that life is probably just the right amount of time for us as a species, that is if evolution has successfully selected our proper genetic lifespan. If individuals live longer then the species evolves slower and it can not adapt as well. Evolution is measured in generations, not absolute years.

Of course the optimal lifespan will change over time. Today we aren't really facing so many physical survival challenges, but if we extend life longer then we may slow down our speed of innovation.

Re: Life is Short

#263

His mention of 'arguing on the internet' as one of the few specific examples of time-wasting behavior makes it hard not to read it as a reaction. I absolutely believe he values time. But I also absolutely believe that he is using this as a public excuse as to why he's running away from the criticism of his previous essay; a previous essay which was quite possibly the most flawed piece of writing he's ever let loose o…

Why not accept that reality is different for different people? It's different for all different people, not just rich vs. poor. It's your call whether someone else's reality is at all relevant to your own experience. But that doesn't stop it from being reality for them . You don't like it when someone invalidates your own lived experience. Why then turn around and invalidate theirs?

>Why not accept that reality is different for different people?

There is a consistent physical reality that exists outside the human experience. When people communicate in almost any language, they are referring to this external reality. This is why people constantly choose to "invalidate" someone else's experience.

They are essentially saying "Your description of the shared fabric of reality in which humanity dwells is completely invalid!" rather than "Your reality is your opinion and my reality is my opinion, let's sing kumbaya."

The truth of the world is that there is only one shared reality that exists for humanity and only one description of it that is correct. However, we as homosapiens can only perceive this reality through the human experience. Hence the endless debates about which reality is valid or invalid.

Re: Life is Short

#264

You as pg's wife have vested interest in pg's reputation as your well-being is intrinsically tied with his reputation and well-being through marriage. Your words are not totally empty though as it is still supporting evidence, it is just not solid evidence and it is not something I will totally accept, unlike the op. The probability for this essay to pop-up right after PG started a fire with his economic essay is jus…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10918078 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Life is Short

#265
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Re: Life is Short

#266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graham’s essay that got dumped on was hardly an “original thought”. The whole “we rich people deserve to have 100x more than the poors because we’re pushing humanity forward” schtick is as old as civilization, and Graham’s version was a particularly lazy and poorly argued one.

That is a hostile interpretation of the essay.

Indeed—so hostile that it can only be deliberate. It's an example of why we will probably add the Principle of Charity to the HN guidelines: http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/charity.html.

The problem isn't merely the dishonesty of trying to make a person and/or their argument sound much worse than they are. It's the degrading effect it has on the rest of a discussion. Once bystanders see that it's ok to throw concern for the truth out the window and optimize for indignation, other standards drop as well. I don't know if it's true that sharks go crazy when they smell blood, but that's what this effect reminds me of. It seems to be worse these days, and the Principle of Charity might be a rampart against it.

Re: Life is Short

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I'm curious why this essay was written. A week after having finished spending (evidently) quite a while writing two essays about economic inequality and your personal role in increasing society-wide inequality, why the sudden change to caring about spending time with your kids? And why the need to say this out loud? This essay strongly feels like rationalizing to oneself an unwillingness to engage with reasoned…

No, there's no connection with this essay and the last one. He's been thinking about writing about this topic for a long time. In fact, one of the things Paul and I talk most about is that life is short and we need to savor time with our kids and do things that are meaningful to us. So trust me when I say that, as PG's wife, I believe you are mistaken.

Eh, we've collectively read at least a few of pg's essays; I think it's fair to say that we know him better than you do :)

Re: Life is Short

#269

I had the same thought as the parent. His last essay was, by a wide margin, his least well considered, most nonsensical, and most widely criticized essay. It was, by a wide margin, his worse ever work. And now, suddenly, his next essay is on life being too short for bullshit and arguing on the internet? Yes... this seems to me like one thing: it seems like Paul Graham knows he wrote a god-awful, indefensible, steamin…

Truth. His last essay actually hurt me pretty personally. There aren't too many figures in the business or tech world that I actually admire, and I was really disappointed when a guy that has been this lucky is too scared to acknowledge that life simply isn't fair, and that hard work isn't always enough. PG has become a beggar like the rent seekers he claims to abhor.

> There aren't too many figures in the business or tech world that I actually admire, and I was really disappointed when a guy that has been this lucky is too scared to acknowledge that life simply isn't fair, and that hard work isn't always enough.

I think you've seriously misunderstood his last essay, and should read it again with a less emotional and more logical eye. He acknowledges the truth of exactly what you said in the opening of the essay:

> The solution to this puzzle is to realize that economic inequality is not just one thing. It consists of some things that are very bad, like kids with no chance of reaching their potential, and others that are good, like Larry Page and Sergey Brin starting the company you use to find things online.

> If you want to understand economic inequality—and more importantly, if you actually want to fix the bad aspects of it—you have to tease apart the components. And yet the trend in nearly everything written about the subject is to do the opposite: to squash together all the aspects of economic inequality as if it were a single phenomenon. ( http://www.paulgraham.com/ineq.html )

"Kids with no chance of reaching their potential", i.e., life that is not fair. He explicitly acknowledges this right up front, and yet you accuse him of arguing the opposite or failing to recognize it. I find this point of view frustrating.

The thesis of PG's essay is that inequality is not a single phenomenon, and has some bad parts, but also some unavoidable parts. To simplify what he said, some people are more productive and driven than others, and technology amplifies this difference.

("Some people are more productive and driven than others" should not be a controversial statement. I would perform drastically worse at quarterbacking an NFL game than every single NFL quarterback. Many people would perform drastically worse at my job than I do.)

Re: Life is Short

#270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> PG claimed that some rich people "create wealth" and are thus entitled to it. Close enough. But, like, is anyone really going to argue with this? With scare quotes, sure, OK, I guess there's an example of someone out there churning out widgets from their blood-diamond-financed widget factory, and that's more of a grey area, but without weird factors like this...yes, people ought to be entitled to what they create.…

Unpacking the whole context and philosophical debate (e.g. between libertarians and Marxists) requires a book-length argument. (But to briefly answer your question, no. “People ought to be entitled to what they create” is not a universally accepted principle.) So folks responding to Graham are mostly not going to do the topic justice. (Side note: In a similar but less defensible way, Paul Graham’s summary of Joseph S…

The way this comment devolves into personal attack is as revealing as it is distasteful. Please have the discipline not to do that on this site.

Also, please don't put things in quotation marks when they're not a quote, as you did here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10917609. It may seem a minor point, but it's an important one for intellectual honesty.

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