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Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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This doesn't bode well for other publicly traded B corporations, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

Why does this have anything to do with it's status as a B-corp, rather than other market pressures on Etsy specifically, including Amazon's efforts in the space?

Etsy is a test, in some ways, to see if the b corp model can fit in a large, publicly traded company. The hope was that the b corp model would break out of its niche, and be applicable more globally.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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Angie's List: from $28 in Jul 2013 to $9[0] Box: from $24 in Jan 2015 to $10[1] GoPro: from $87 in Oct 2014 to $11[2] Groupon: from $26 in Nov 2011 to $2.60[3] GrubHub: from $46 in Apr 2015 to $21[4] Twitter: from $70 in Jan 2014 to $18[5] Yelp: from $97 in Mar 2014 to $21[6] Zillow: from $121 in Feb 2015 to $22[7] Zynga: from $15 in Mar 2012 to $2[8] 0: http://www.google.com/finance?q=ANGI 1: http://www.google.com/f…

What point are you making? Perhaps it isn't too hard to look at examples of tech companies that have done well since IPO. This is quintessential cherry picking. The market in general has been downward recently but Atlassian and Godaddy are holding their own for example:

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:TEAM

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:GDDY

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

#13

This doesn't bode well for other publicly traded B corporations, unfortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_corporation

Can you expand on why this a bad sign for B Corps more so then C Corps? Honest question. Before reading the link I did not know the difference between B and C.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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And they're actually a better value today thanks to the proper correction, than they were at the point of IPO, despite what the analysts and pumpers (or shorts) would tell you.

Now they're trading for 2.x times sales for fiscal 2015. They have 1/3 of their market cap in cash. And they're accumulating cash from operations rather than burning it. The value proposition on the stock is dramatically higher than it was when the hype was on the moon.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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Angie's List: from $28 in Jul 2013 to $9[0] Box: from $24 in Jan 2015 to $10[1] GoPro: from $87 in Oct 2014 to $11[2] Groupon: from $26 in Nov 2011 to $2.60[3] GrubHub: from $46 in Apr 2015 to $21[4] Twitter: from $70 in Jan 2014 to $18[5] Yelp: from $97 in Mar 2014 to $21[6] Zillow: from $121 in Feb 2015 to $22[7] Zynga: from $15 in Mar 2012 to $2[8] 0: http://www.google.com/finance?q=ANGI 1: http://www.google.com/f…

I was about to comment that using the full time horizon for Groupon and Zynga was unfair since they IPOed years ago...

...until I checked and both companies had similar percentage drops within 9 months of IPOs as the other companies. Tech stocks are funny.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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post #12

Angie's List: from $28 in Jul 2013 to $9[0] Box: from $24 in Jan 2015 to $10[1] GoPro: from $87 in Oct 2014 to $11[2] Groupon: from $26 in Nov 2011 to $2.60[3] GrubHub: from $46 in Apr 2015 to $21[4] Twitter: from $70 in Jan 2014 to $18[5] Yelp: from $97 in Mar 2014 to $21[6] Zillow: from $121 in Feb 2015 to $22[7] Zynga: from $15 in Mar 2012 to $2[8] 0: http://www.google.com/finance?q=ANGI 1: http://www.google.com/f…

What point are you making? Perhaps it isn't too hard to look at examples of tech companies that have done well since IPO. This is quintessential cherry picking. The market in general has been downward recently but Atlassian and Godaddy are holding their own for example: https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:TEAM https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:GDDY

It is cherry picking, but you can cherry pick too for your case. Other than FB who is doing great?

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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post #5

To be clear, it's lost XX% of it's market cap. The market cap is a knowingly-flawed assessment of earnings potential for a company. Its actual value is probably unchanged.

Market cap is just value of a single share * number of shares outstanding. Do you have a better way of valuing a publicly-traded company? When you say "its actual value is probably unchanged", what value are you talking about? If you think there is a disconnect between share price and value (however you're measuring that), then it is an excellent opportunity to arbitrage an inefficient market.

I _know_ there's a disconnect between the share price and the value, I just don't know what direction it's going to go in. This is why straddles are so much fun. :)

The efficiency of markets is widely overrated.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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Angie's List: from $28 in Jul 2013 to $9[0] Box: from $24 in Jan 2015 to $10[1] GoPro: from $87 in Oct 2014 to $11[2] Groupon: from $26 in Nov 2011 to $2.60[3] GrubHub: from $46 in Apr 2015 to $21[4] Twitter: from $70 in Jan 2014 to $18[5] Yelp: from $97 in Mar 2014 to $21[6] Zillow: from $121 in Feb 2015 to $22[7] Zynga: from $15 in Mar 2012 to $2[8] 0: http://www.google.com/finance?q=ANGI 1: http://www.google.com/f…

If there was only an ETF for shorting the startup tech sector...

You don't need an ETF to short the startup tech sector.

Re: Etsy stock has lost 76% of its value in 9 months

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The lockup agreement expired. Looks like employees and executives are selling up big time. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/etsy-shares-fall-after-expi...

...and rightfully so since Amazon entered the space back in October. That's a killer blow to a business that has struggled since it went public.
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