BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
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Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#2Surveillance is not security, surveillance is surveillance. I an glad to hear that not all cameras monitor our every step.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#3I feel for the family that lost a loved one and it's unfortunate they don't have more information about this suspect.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#4Surveillance is not security, surveillance is surveillance. I an glad to hear that not all cameras monitor our every step.
Dummy cameras feel like 'Security Theater' to me.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#5Same principal we had for cameras in our school buses. Only some of them actually had cameras in them but we were scared of all of them. If the goal is to deter low-level crime like vandalism, I would think they probably worked, at least temporarily.
Although part of me can't imagine thinking someone is watching 4 cameras on every car on every train at all times.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#6Same principal we had for cameras in our school buses. Only some of them actually had cameras in them but we were scared of all of them. If the goal is to deter low-level crime like vandalism, I would think they probably worked, at least temporarily. Although part of me can't imagine thinking someone is watching 4 cameras on every car on every train at all times.
In england you know they're really cameras because the feed displays on a screen and it flicks through all of them.
(I'll take some photos tomorrow.)
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#7Surveillance is not security, surveillance is surveillance. I an glad to hear that not all cameras monitor our every step.
Dummy cameras feel like 'Security Theater' to me.
I wouldn't quite say that. Dummy cameras give petty criminals a risk they hedge their actions against. Security theater would be telling people they can feel safe from personal injury because of said cameras. Someone else put it succinctly: Surveillance is not Security.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#8Same principal we had for cameras in our school buses. Only some of them actually had cameras in them but we were scared of all of them. If the goal is to deter low-level crime like vandalism, I would think they probably worked, at least temporarily. Although part of me can't imagine thinking someone is watching 4 cameras on every car on every train at all times.
Although part of me can't imagine thinking someone is watching 4 cameras on every car on every train at all times.
Having video footage of crimes is useful even if nobody watches it until after the fact. There are some security cameras in Vancouver which were installed with the explicit promise that footage would be deleted after 30 days without anyone having seen it unless the police get a warrant in the intervening period.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#9Surveillance is not security, surveillance is surveillance. I an glad to hear that not all cameras monitor our every step.
Dummy cameras feel like 'Security Theater' to me.
But unlike, say, extensive airport screening procedures, it's fairly easy to test if dummy CCTV cameras have an impact on crime rates.
I don't know if such a study has been done, but if it works and impacts the intended endpoints, it isn't really theatre.
Re: BART killing exposes security gap – many train cameras are decoys
#10Same principal we had for cameras in our school buses. Only some of them actually had cameras in them but we were scared of all of them. If the goal is to deter low-level crime like vandalism, I would think they probably worked, at least temporarily. Although part of me can't imagine thinking someone is watching 4 cameras on every car on every train at all times.
In england you know they're really cameras because the feed displays on a screen and it flicks through all of them. (I'll take some photos tomorrow.)
Yeah. I would imagine that if you had real cameras, it would make sense to publicize that fact. Partially to let people know they shouldn't expect any implication of privacy and partially to let people know the cameras aren't decoys.
The cost/size requirements have come down so much in the past 20 years that it makes a lot more sense to actually install cameras and record locally to a DVR/NVR in the bus.