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Post by agumonkey »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #238
agumonkey wrote: post #43

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As easy that joke was, I'm very often wondering about generations these days. I often feel this generation is really cheap. Now, surely most people feel this way about how the new one isn't worth their own, but really there were such iconic periods from the 50s to the 90s (in a westerner point of view) .. and this makes his leaving (among other peers who shaped the 70s) as powerful as hurting.

Bowie got as big as he was because of labels pushing him down a captive audience's throats. Was he good? Sure. But there were many other really good artists who never got much attention because the only place to hear music during Bowie's era was on the radio or in a record store. "This generation" has wider tastes and a broader selection than any before it. That they can't be defined by a single sound or genre is a g…

Good point. The constriction of music production (or TV distribution) before has a deep impact on what people discover and how they experience it.

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Post by m_mueller »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #225
arnvald wrote: post #171

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Is it? Maybe in shopping malls and bars, then I agree. I live in Singapore and a lot of Singaporeans who I meet listen mostly to either Chinese or Indian music. It might be different though in Thailand or Malaysia. Remember though, that SEA is just part of Asia. China and India are huge music markets. Additionally, Japan and Korea have very strong, local music scene as well.

Last I was in Shanghai, about 3 years ago, there were Maroon 5 posters all over the subway.

It seems to me that, strangely enough, Chinese pop culture actually aligns much more to the USA than the Japanese one. Japanese tend to prefer everything domestic first, especially so in games and music, movies a bit less so but it's still a much larger purely domestic film market compared to EU (if you don't count US financed films made in EU countries).

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Post by mercer »

eertami wrote: post #244
agumonkey wrote: post #210

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I wasn't born and always assumed they weren't just pop star of the moment. As a kid later, even without knowing anything, I felt these song were infectious. When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. I could say the same about movie score too.

>When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. No, it's because you don't like it and can't feel superior any longer if you were to enjoy it. It's just incredibly elitist to assume the music you don't like doesn't have any quality. One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. A record with such masterful production, songwriting an…

It's an incredible album indeed. I can also recommend To Pimp A Butterfly by Kendrick Lamar. Just watch his live performance on The Colbert Report and tell me there's no quality anymore!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0geQsfcHk

Or this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1ZUgIZKDI

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Post by lmm »

agumonkey wrote: post #206
lmm wrote: post #194

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My conspiracy theory would be that Swift (or her people) put him up to it. Sympathy sells, and a whole lot of people heard of her as a result. And she has shown herself to be extremely savvy.

How would that work ? She teased him to the point of him rage-invading the stage ?

I mean the two of them planned the whole thing beforehand. (Relies on them knowing she'd win before the ceremony, but is that so implausible?)

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Post by paganel »

eertami wrote: post #244
agumonkey wrote: post #210

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I wasn't born and always assumed they weren't just pop star of the moment. As a kid later, even without knowing anything, I felt these song were infectious. When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. I could say the same about movie score too.

>When I criticize today's mainstream it's that this quality isn't there anymore. No, it's because you don't like it and can't feel superior any longer if you were to enjoy it. It's just incredibly elitist to assume the music you don't like doesn't have any quality. One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. A record with such masterful production, songwriting an…

> One of the best "mainstream" albums in recent times was Kanye's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJae2OpoHeE , his latest YT video is basically an ad. And while I tried listening to some of his other melodies I found out that most of them are about his material accomplishments, and that's about it. Or maybe this is all a post-modernist thingie where this is a veiled critique about today's society, in which case I'll pass.

For comparison, take this IAM piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uQ_X6nQ8xk , which talks about real people with real problems from the real world. They're miles ahead in terms of artistic performance and impact.

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Post by agumonkey »

lmm wrote: post #304
agumonkey wrote: post #206

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How would that work ? She teased him to the point of him rage-invading the stage ?

I mean the two of them planned the whole thing beforehand. (Relies on them knowing she'd win before the ceremony, but is that so implausible?)

nothing is implausible, but what was in it for Kanye West ? unless he's into career sado-masochism.

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Post by wyclif »

Someone wrote: post #299
apatters wrote: post #83

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For every one of those decades I could name several rock bands who were commercially successful and whose music also represented a major, youth-oriented cultural movement which challenged the status quo. I am hard pressed to name a single band like that which started recording in the 21st century. Interpret it as you will but I think he has a point that the stuff that gets into the top 40, certainly within the rock g…

But rock is the status quo; with anything rock-like, you run the risk that your parents will like it. That makes it hard for rock to challenge the status quo. When I hear "major, youth-oriented cultural movement which challenged the status quo" I think about house, hip hop, and rap.

The problem there is that young parents now like rap, too. People that were kids when It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back or Run-DMC's first album have families now.

So nothing's safe.

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Post by ptaipale »

chc4 wrote: post #15
ptaipale wrote: post #11

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Oh, good to know that's available again. At some point it was pulled for copyright reasons. http://boingboing.net/2014/05/18/bowies-takedown-of-hadfield...

I heard that they arranged a deal for a 1 year lease, and after that year had to take it down. I didn't know that it was back either, that's great news.

Seems that this time it's a two year lease, so it's still not going to be available permanently.

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Post by reitanqild »

andrepd wrote: post #293
reitanqild wrote: post #179

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> Is communist Russia objectively worse than the crusades or the Catholic inquisition or ISIS? In numbers, yes. > Isn't its definition a lack of religion? I thought it was defined by the lack of belief in deities / supernatural powers. I might be wrong.

Even if true, you can't compare the death toll of post industrial WWII and the crusades on numbers alone. Precisely. A lack of belief.

If you want to argue that, also take a good look at the French Revolution.

> A lack of belief.

In deities and supernatural powers.

In other aspects I find many forum atheists to believe strongly in theories that are way above their heads.

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Post by eropple »

pkd wrote: post #280
paganel wrote: post #105

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> we have Kanye West For what it's worth Kanye West is still regarded like a sort of a joke in most of Europe, at least for people like me, who are over 30. > and we have Jack White At first I said to myself "who's that?", then I saw that he used to sing for the White Stripes. It's a so-and-so band, at least one of their songs got pretty popular among the football ultras, as did the Pet Shop Boys' "Go West!" back in…

Jack White isn't a great singer, but he might just be one of the 5 greatest guitarists alive today. I'd argue he is the best guitarist alive. As I read somewhere, Jack White is in his own personal genre.

Yup. His music isn't even my thing (as it happens, neither are the other two artists I mentioned), but...if you can't recognize it, you aren't paying attention.
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