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Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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A mechanical system such as balls in a hopper is likely to be biased either by design or by active human intervention when the results appear biased. One of the insights at Bletchley park was that Enigma operators had "letter bias" in their selections.

it would be an interesting math problem to try to create a model that could detect the bias

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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post #11
post #9

A mechanical system such as balls in a hopper is likely to be biased either by design or by active human intervention when the results appear biased. One of the insights at Bletchley park was that Enigma operators had "letter bias" in their selections.

it would be an interesting math problem to try to create a model that could detect the bias

A mathematical model isn't a mechanical system. The mathematical model for a set of balls will tend to be random just like the mathematical model of a roulette wheel. Yet roulette wheels can be clocked and machine vision can predict outcomes based on wheel speed and the conditions of ball release.

The problem with powerball is obtaining a large enough sample size...the space is much bigger than that of roulette.

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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There is one trick you can use: all numbers have the same probability to be inthe winning combination, but some numbers are less picked by played less (typically: numvers that can't be associated with birthdays). Pick those numbers and if you will, you will have to share with less people.

Not something l'd recommend though, as I hate games of luck.

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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post #9

A mechanical system such as balls in a hopper is likely to be biased either by design or by active human intervention when the results appear biased. One of the insights at Bletchley park was that Enigma operators had "letter bias" in their selections.

That's a good argument for playing the numbers that have won more frequently than average in the past, which is exactly the opposite of what the OP had tried. Of course, this is assuming they use the same mechanical system, balls and everything else for each drawing, which is unlikely, but I'll defer to someone who follows the lottery more closely than me.

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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post #7

The only useful strategy for choosing numbers is to choose numbers that other people are not using, so that you maximize your chance of not having to split the pot in the unlikely event that you win. I think I read that numbers below 30 are vastly overrepresented in lottery ticket number choices.

It was actually just posted yesterday on HN: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/12/how-t...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10890736

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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post #2

My assumption was that each number should have an equal distribution over time, so anything that did not had a higher likely hood of being chosen. I feel like saying Gambler's Fallacy to someone who knows what R is is borderline aggressive but, out of a maximum of good intentions, the thing you've labeled as an assumption is called the Gambler's Fallacy and it is so named because statistics does not work that way. ht…

Back in middle school, I did a science fair project on this for the Florida lottery. My hypothesis was that each ball was dropped into air-blown hoppers made by the same manufacturer to the same specifications, and each ball had slight variances in weight and aerodynamics due to the (assumed) pad printed numbers on the balls; thus, the "hot numbers" were statistically more likely to be drawn.

EDIT: also, the hypothesis included the average amount of time the balls were being tumbled before drawn.

It was, to my middle school statistical ability, correct at that time (ca. 1980s). The "hot" numbers "won" me over $3,000 over the course of two months. Random numbers? About $20.

Things have very likely changed since then, though.

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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post #4

My father used lists of previous winning numbers and a "system" he adapted from Keno (which he mostly lost at). Once I was with him when he was buying lottery tickets and I bought one with the numbers 1-2-3-4-5-6. My dad came unglued, asking me if I understood how unlikely my numbers were to hit. Exactly as likely as his, I tried to explain, but he didn't get it.

Your dad was on the right track though, but for a different reason.

1,2,3,4,5,6 is a (relatively) common choice of numbers people buy in lotteries, so if those numbers win you're more likely to have to split the pot.

Re: Ask HN: How do you choose powerball numbers if you play?

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I had trouble finding reliable historical data. I didn't trust anybody that compiled the data, as they all had different results, and the powerball set of number has slowly expanded over the years.

I think it's reasonable that some numbers are more likely. Either by their initial placement or by subtle effects of aerodynamics and weight of the painted numbers.

That said I think it's a little absurd to choose numbers. Like it actually matters. Just get computer picks. It's the best chance to not split the pot, assuming a fair computer.

Unrelated: I don't think it makes much sense to buy more than one ticket. The EV is still slightly less than the cost of the ticket and after the initial ticket you cannot boost you odds again like that. Even with positive EV it's still insanely high variance, so I don't see how multiplying your odds makes any difference, compared to raising your odds from zero which your initial ticket does.

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